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Old 08-07-2010, 06:05 PM   #1
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Future suspension upgrade...

Let me start this off by saying I'm basically illiterate when it comes to suspensions.

I want to upgrade my suspension but I'm not sure what I need and what I don't need. The car is 100% daily driver and thats all I plan on using it for. Most of the roads that I drive on are old country winding roads. My goal is to upgrade the suspension to make it a more enjoyable ride. I've already increased the hp and tq a bit and might add a SC in the future(still on the fence about that), so whatever I do, I want to make sure that it will accommadate any future power upgrades I make.

I would appreciate any info you guys have and thanks in advance for any help...
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Old 08-07-2010, 06:38 PM   #2
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On a budget : Springs, sway bars and trailing arms:
If you would like to spend more: minus the springs and add coil overs and a complete bush kit.
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Old 08-07-2010, 06:38 PM   #3
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Lowering Springs, Sway Bars, and Sold Subframe Bushings.

The springs will make the car look fantastic while the sways will give you more confidence around those tight corners (a must have)

The subframe bushings will benefit you really well if you plan on having a lot of horsepower/tq. They reduce wheel hop and help with other things that in the longrun would slow you down.

I would go with pfadt racing.. www.pfadtracing.com they're a very good company and seem to have the best customer support and performance mods on the camaro5 forums.

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Old 08-07-2010, 06:54 PM   #4
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Old 08-07-2010, 07:01 PM   #5
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On a budget : Springs, sway bars and trailing arms:
If you would like to spend more: minus the springs and add coil overs and a complete bush kit.
Research companies on here : Pedders, pfadt, eibach, hotchkis, bmr and the list goes on and on and on...
I've been doing my due dilegence but like I stated I'm not suspension savy so I want to make sure I'm getting what I need. To be honest when suspension is like latin to me.......

Thanks for the help its good stuff....
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Old 08-07-2010, 07:08 PM   #6
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Old 08-07-2010, 07:43 PM   #7
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Let me start this off by saying I'm basically illiterate when it comes to suspensions.

I want to upgrade my suspension but I'm not sure what I need and what I don't need. The car is 100% daily driver and thats all I plan on using it for. Most of the roads that I drive on are old country winding roads. My goal is to upgrade the suspension to make it a more enjoyable ride. I've already increased the hp and tq a bit and might add a SC in the future(still on the fence about that), so whatever I do, I want to make sure that it will accommadate any future power upgrades I make.

I would appreciate any info you guys have and thanks in advance for any help...
For the kind of driving and application you are describing I would recommend springs, sway bars, end links, and rear trailing arms. In a nut shell...

The lowering springs will not only give your Camaro a more aggressive look, but will optimize the performance of your factory shock absorbers and lower the vehicle's center of gravity.

The sway bars will eliminate the infamous factory under steer, reduce body roll, and increase steering response. The end links go along with the sway bars and are needed to beef up the weak factory links that tend to fail when stiffer sway bars are added.

The rear trailing arms will increase traction and eliminate wheel hop. They allow the rear suspension to respond to road conditions more quickly and keep the tires in contact will the pavement.

If you have any more questions or need help selecting components feel free to contact me. Thanks
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I know everyone here is talking lowering springs, but coilovers are the way to go. With just the springs you will place a lot more stress on the stock struts and they wear out faster. While they are less expensive they also suffer from a lack of adjustability. If you go with either Phadt or Pedders coilovers you will get adjustability and have a nice smooth ride for the daily stuff then twist a few knobs and have track ready beast. Sway bars are also probably the first thing I would do, radius arm bushings then coilovers and then the rest of the bushings.
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I know everyone here is talking lowering springs, but coilovers are the way to go. With just the springs you will place a lot more stress on the stock struts and they wear out faster. While they are less expensive they also suffer from a lack of adjustability. If you go with either Phadt or Pedders coilovers you will get adjustability and have a nice smooth ride for the daily stuff then twist a few knobs and have track ready beast. Sway bars are also probably the first thing I would do, radius arm bushings then coilovers and then the rest of the bushings.
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If coil overs are in your budget I absolutely agree.
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If your plan is daily driver only I would not change anything. If you are experiencing shortcomings of the stock suspension then I would make the appropriare adjustments. Like bi11ymc wrote, check this out http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...highlight=book
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:28 AM   #11
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Thanks for all the info and the link it is a big help. Its starting to make a little bit of sense......

So, if I go with just the springs then the stock struts will wear out faster? If that is the case when it comes time to replace the stock struts can I buy coil overs to use with the springs I have or is it 2 different systems?
does that make any sense?..

Again thanks for all the info you guys are great....
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Thanks for all the info and the link it is a big help. Its starting to make a little bit of sense......

So, if I go with just the springs then the stock struts will wear out faster? If that is the case when it comes time to replace the stock struts can I buy coil overs to use with the springs I have or is it 2 different systems?
does that make any sense?..

Again thanks for all the info you guys are great....
As long as you stick with a lowering spring that doesn't lower your car more than 1.25-1.4 you will not negatively effect the longevity of your stock dampers. Generally, coil overs replace all of your existing hardware but we can set you up with a coil over that can utilize your existing lowering springs in order to save you some money.
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Let me ask this for those that are saying add a sway bar. If you add a sway bar to correct the factory understeer wont that increase the oversteer and make the car more squirrly?
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Let me ask this for those that are saying add a sway bar. If you add a sway bar to correct the factory understeer wont that increase the oversteer and make the car more squirrly?
No. A quality set of well engineer sway bars will correct the issue without over correcting, or better yet give you the ability to adjust it to your particular preference.
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So with this being just a 100% daily driver that I would like to be a little more agressive with would I need to upgrade both back and front sway bars or could I get away with just the front.

Also, with the adjustments on the sway bars is that something that I could adjust or does it need to be taken in to be adjusted?

This is good stuff thanks for all the info...
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you can try hotchkis stage 1 tvs or the hotchkis track pack or what i'm going with hotchkis race pack, the race pack has every thing you need and if you get it thru jegs it will be a little bit cheaper
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you can try hotchkis stage 1 tvs or the hotchkis track pack or what i'm going with hotchkis race pack, the race pack has every thing you need and if you get it thru jegs it will be a little bit cheaper
Yours a daily driver or do you plan on racing it?
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So with this being just a 100% daily driver that I would like to be a little more agressive with would I need to upgrade both back and front sway bars or could I get away with just the front.

Also, with the adjustments on the sway bars is that something that I could adjust or does it need to be taken in to be adjusted?

This is good stuff thanks for all the info...
You could go with just a rear sway bar and realize a significant improvement over stock but of course not as significant as if you went with front and rear. Its just a question of what degree of improvement you are looking for.

The adjustments on the sway bars are very easy to make. No need to take it to a mechanic.
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Yours a daily driver or do you plan on racing it?
my camaro is not my daily driver, my truck is my daily, i drive my car when i'm off of work. no plans for racing other than going to test and tune nights at the track.
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There is alot of good advice on here depending on your budget and what you do with the car.Lowering springs and a good set of sway bars will make the handling much better.But one of the best places to start is with the rear sub frame bushings they have large voids in them for ride comfort from GM ,the replacement bushings make a huge improvement over the stock ones.The front radius arm bushings are oil filled from gm and while they are great for comfort and noise reduction they do lack in road feel.
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I think the general consensus here is pretty accurate: swaybars and springs or coilovers if the budget allows. I agree, these are the most noticeable improvements that you will "feel" and if improved handling is your main goal you can't go wrong making them your first suspension mods.

Since you mentioned taking it to the track periodically I would also suggest rear subframe bushing inserts and a set of trailing arms. These will not only firm up your launches and give you more consistent track times but they also eliminate the wheel-hop that you will experience at the track. These cars are wheel-hop prone and there are plenty of broken CV shafts to prove it.
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As another daily driver my recommendation is, in order:

1) Sway bars front & rear + upgrade the endlinks at the same time (the OE endlinks holding the sway bars are weak) - this will reduce the understeer and make the Camaro feel like its on rails in clover-leafs / curved.

2) Coilovers if you can afford them in your budget - these provide more ride height flexibility and damper adjustment for ride quality, especially if you have track aspirations downstream. IMHO Springs lower the car but you're stuck good/bad/indifferent with the ride height and feel - so coilovers are superior but cost 2x-4x more.

For me - it was Pfadt all the way...
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Your best choice is to get springs and sway bars. Make sure that the sway bars are adjustable front and rear. Some are more adjustable than others so research that. This way if you do wan to go more spirited it will be easy for you to amp up to something more aggressive.
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Let me start this off by saying I'm basically illiterate when it comes to suspensions.

I want to upgrade my suspension but I'm not sure what I need and what I don't need. The car is 100% daily driver and thats all I plan on using it for. Most of the roads that I drive on are old country winding roads. My goal is to upgrade the suspension to make it a more enjoyable ride. I've already increased the hp and tq a bit and might add a SC in the future(still on the fence about that), so whatever I do, I want to make sure that it will accommadate any future power upgrades I make.

I would appreciate any info you guys have and thanks in advance for any help...
You do have many choices for upgrades and as you can see from the responses, there are many different ways to approach suspension improvements.

At Hotchkis we like to keep things simple and bolt-on. We do months of R&D to make sure that our parts not only improve performance, but that they are long lasting, and don't cause damage to stock components.

We know that many of you drive on real roads, with friends, spouses, children and pets along for the ride, so we know how important it is to design parts that offer a firm yet comfortable ride. We check ground clearance, additional weight, spring fitment over bumps, everything that can effect the daily driver.



Having said that, we like to encourage you to have a look at our various kits for the 5th gen Camaro. We even offer billet spring spacers for proper ride height should you decide to install that super charger.

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