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Old 08-10-2010, 02:25 AM   #1
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Clutch Problem

Since day 1 of having my Camaro I have had clutch problems. I don't drive the car very much so I hadn't noticed it until owning the car for a few weeks. What I noticed happening is that when the clutch is disengaged but still has about an 1/2 for the lever to come back up all the way, it sometimes stops. Not too big of a day but it is annoying, it does stop cruise control from working because of the sensor, and I just paid $40,000 for this car and this should work as supposed to.

I have dropped it off at the dealer a few times and they have already replaced the master and slave cylinder along with the clutch plate. The dealer can't figure it out and I have a case open with GM who also can't figure it out. After the plate was replaced, the clutch now feels worse. It now still stop right when the clutch is disengaged which is about an 1 or 2 from the floor. It kind of feels normal after using it a bit but not always. It's just random when it is feeling normal. And what I mean by that is it feels like if there is air in the lines or something to that affect.

I now had the car in the shop again to try again on the master cylinder and for a regional rep from GM to come out and take a look also.

The tranny guy at the dealer mentioned that there is someone at the dealer who has a Vette who has a problem kind of like there. Where in the morning his clutch has basically no push back and is on the floor until he stomps it. He also has replaced all the parts to the clutch and same issue. His issue does sound slightly different then mine as mine doesn't fix it's self when stomping on the clutch.

Maybe it is just a bad design master cylinder or there could be something else. What I am told from them is that Vette do have clutch problems which is a design flaw that they aren't sure but they are sure GM knows about it. However, it is what it is.

So I am wondering if anyone else has had clutch problem.
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Old 08-10-2010, 08:25 AM   #2
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Old 08-10-2010, 08:28 AM   #3
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I have and what do you think I am doing? That is the reason for this post.
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Old 08-10-2010, 03:48 PM   #4
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You must not be searching enough because a large portion of the members on this website have discussed that topic in detail. you described a popular issue.
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Old 08-10-2010, 04:45 PM   #5
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I have had the same problem too. I decided to replace the clutch myself with a ram twin disk which includes new slave, pressure plate and bearing.
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Old 08-10-2010, 06:36 PM   #6
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Score another one for the L99!
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Old 08-10-2010, 06:39 PM   #7
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Old 08-10-2010, 06:51 PM   #8
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Hmm if no one posted anything that was already previously posted there would be no more posts in this darn forum!!! I for one own a ss m6 and find this topic interesting... but hey ive never thought about it thus never searched it! So if someone wants to be kind enough to answer the question or provide a link more power to them.... I think what really gets redundant is the whiney butts who are telling everyone to search previous threads! If you dont wanna read it, dont open it. (I learned that lesson from a previous thread I started- but I guess youd have to search to find that )
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Old 08-10-2010, 06:52 PM   #9
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My camaro is my only car and I drive it on a daily basis. And I haven't had a single problem with the clutch. The only problem I have had with the clutch is some stalling since it is my first manual but I worked that out. As for ur problem, that has never happened to me but it seems that GM may end up having to replace ur car.
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Old 08-10-2010, 06:56 PM   #10
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The autos are for grandmas and pansies. Hey maybe my car leaves a trail of burnt clutch smell wherever I go but I bet I have a hell of alot more fun driving than you do! So instead of paintin makeup on my face when im driving im painting the road in rubber. jk jk im not hating, just makin funnies.
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Old 08-10-2010, 07:43 PM   #11
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You must not be searching enough because a large portion of the members on this website have discussed that topic in detail. you described a popular issue.
Why be a prick? I have searched, seen issues about clutches, some sound somewhat familiar, some don't. Most of the threads are months old that never have a resolution.

And the bottom line, who cares? It's a forum right? It is good for people to bring up what could be old topics. Gives new perspectives. Otherwise it's like telling a kid in HS school to just read everything instead of teaching. So how about you not be a prick and instead become a productive person?

And if everyone else knew about this why do most people not know? Why does GM say that I have case and never heard of this issue before? Why are they sending out a regional rep out to help investigate this issue? Hm...I guess you never though of all of this which is why you are a prick.
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Old 08-10-2010, 08:51 PM   #12
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The issue is the same one experianced by the C5 & C6 vettes for years. The real issue is several design flaws not corrected properly since 1997. First the line from the master to the slave runs to close to the exhaust, and adding headers makes it even more of an issue since the heat causes the fluid to breakdown & and develop sludge, which reduces the ability of the fluid to move back and forth through the system.

Second, the resivoir on the master is to small for agressive driving allowing the fluid to break down to quickly (you can do frequent changes like the road course guys do and avoid the issue).

The cars driven "normally" (read: slow shifts) rarely encounter this issue, but quick & frequent fast shifts and clutch action are where it rears it's ugly head.

There have been several fixes through the years, the "drill" mod, different fluids, etc., but the only real solution is a remote large capacity resivoir and a way to move, or circulate the fluid through it so there is always a fresh, cool, clean supply of fluid to the system.

Not very practical for the everyday average driver, but a great mod for the agressive driver or road racer.
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Old 08-11-2010, 11:02 AM   #13
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Not very practical for the everyday average driver, but a great mod for the agressive driver or road racer.
Why do you say it's not practical for the everyday driver? Is there too much pushback or too abrupt of a grab? What's the cost of this mod? I'm curious because it seems like an easy fix for such a widespread problem (minus a new pressure plate/clutch if needed).
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Old 08-11-2010, 12:22 PM   #14
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Its A practical mod for the everyday driving, I have 37K miles on the car the last 17K with ARH 1 7/8" and did this before most did,
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34085

Its like and thing that needs maintain i do this once a month.
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Why do you say it's not practical for the everyday driver? Is there too much pushback or too abrupt of a grab? What's the cost of this mod? I'm curious because it seems like an easy fix for such a widespread problem (minus a new pressure plate/clutch if needed).
I haven't released a final price as I've only built them for race applications, but I would estimate $300-$500 depending on production costs. The key to the system I designed is a special valve the NASCAR guys use in their brake systems to keep the fluid cool. It allows a small amount of fluid to be pumped past everytime the pedal is depressed (without affecting the travel or throw) so it acts as a pump constantly recirculating the fluid through the remote cooling resivoir (I use a 1 quart AL on with cooling fins & integrated filter). I have a ton of products that just need the capital to bring to market. I can design, engineer, and machine/fabricate most anything and do alot of one-off stuff for custom applications. Venture capital for this industry is near impossible to get as most look at a car as a means of getting from point A to point B with as much comfort as possible. When I meet with these guys they all say the same thing, "why in the world would anyone want to spend money to change how your car came from the factory? (they get shiney wheels and stuff, but unless they race or are motor heads, they don't get it.

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Its A practical mod for the everyday driving, I have 37K miles on the car the last 17K with ARH 1 7/8" and did this before most did,
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34085

Its like and thing that needs maintain i do this once a month.
Bingo! That is one of the best mods currently, but to much hassel for any but the real enthusiests amoung us. Also, I saw the comment about clutch dust. It DOES get into the fluid via the slave. It is extremely fine and even with the dust boots & seals some does contaminate the fluid over time. The other source is moisture. Brake fluid is a magnant for moisture.
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Old 08-12-2010, 07:35 AM   #16
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Thanks for the responses. Interesting mod too. I think today I may pick up my car. Dropped it off on Monday and they also had to change the sensors for the new wheels I bought and also fix some scratches they put on it when it was in there 2 weeks ago. I;m going to print out all this and what people suggested and give it to the tranny guy. If let's say this mod works, I am then going to demand from GM to do it. Basically I am going to demand from GM to fix it.

I spent $40,000 on this car and it's not acceptable to have this be happening. I never had a car with clutch issues besides having to having the normal clutch replacement after so many miles. Really makes me think I should have just bought a new Cobra instead.
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Old 08-12-2010, 03:13 PM   #17
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Old 08-13-2010, 07:39 PM   #18
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I guess you didn't get the memo about GM blaming the drivers. Our clutch sticks to the floor frequently. We had the clutch, flywheel and slave cylinder replaced with about 3,500 miles on it. When the tech was bleeding the new system, the clutch stuck to the floor. We are now waiting for everyone to get from vacations so that they can start all over again. Our fluid is VERY contaminated. There is another forum about this which I have posted about this problem and I have updated because there are so many of us with this problem.
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Old 08-16-2010, 03:26 AM   #19
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Got the car back on Friday and so far so good except yesterday morning I think it felt a bit weak for a few pumps and some what stuck. So we shall see what happens over the next few weeks. I mostly ride my gixxer and the car sits in the garage. plus my car just got wrecked so I hope to know tomorrow from the other guy's insurance on getting this in to fix the repairs. So it may be a few weeks before I drive it again. I can't drive my baby wrecked. :(
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Old 08-22-2010, 12:26 AM   #20
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Well I got the new master clutch and and for the most part it feels pretty solid. It only seems to have issues until I use it a few times or stomp on the clutch. I'm not entirely happy but I think the dealer isn't going to be able to do much if it works fine after a couple of uses. I need to use it a bit more and see if it will stick while driving. I think the line wasn't bled 100% before which is why it was always having issues. Maybe it was 90% which you could say would be normally okay on a car without this type of issue in the first place.
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Old 08-22-2010, 10:51 AM   #21
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