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derek1387 08-27-2017 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JOHNSONROD (Post 9883536)
mine is an APR rip off i got off of ebay. its not bad for the money.
i could tell the difference immediately. it showed on the lap timer at a track where i run entire sessions worth of laps within tenths of each other. the wing and a homemade under tray made over 3 seconds of difference.

Any link/info on said wing/undertray mod?

olblue75 08-28-2017 09:32 PM

Here's a cheap wing

http://www.ebay.com/itm/57-TYPE-3-Bl...NYlUQc&vxp=mtr

derek1387 08-28-2017 09:33 PM

Wow. That's cheap. And cheap looking.


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JOHNSONROD 08-29-2017 06:30 AM

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this is the one i got. i modified the brackets to lay it back some.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAL-CARBON-...FYt6OP&vxp=mtr

wakespeak 08-29-2017 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JOHNSONROD (Post 9885388)
this is the one i got. i modified the brackets to lay it back some.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/REAL-CARBON-...FYt6OP&vxp=mtr

Thanks. What front splitter are you using and do you think it is effective?

JOHNSONROD 08-29-2017 12:20 PM

ive got the APR front splitter that proven wicked sells. i believe it works. i think a real splitter should be first, then work on the rear. a spoiler in the rear does help some but they create a lot of drag. a wing creates downforce without creating much drag. my car is track only. if it was a street car, i would have to get another deck lid like some of these guys are talkin bout. i cant drive my heap to the alignment shop without the butt trumpet mafia trying to get their vin diesel on.

derek1387 08-29-2017 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JOHNSONROD (Post 9885800)
ive got the APR front splitter that proven wicked sells. i believe it works. i think a real splitter should be first, then work on the rear. a spoiler in the rear does help some but they create a lot of drag. a wing creates downforce without creating much drag. my car is track only. if it was a street car, i would have to get another deck lid like some of these guys are talkin bout. i cant drive my heap to the alignment shop without the butt trumpet mafia trying to get their vin diesel on.



That is quite possibly the funniest thing I've heard in a very long time. Best mental image ever


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Wasted Youth 08-29-2017 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JOHNSONROD (Post 9885800)
ive got the APR front splitter that proven wicked sells. i believe it works. i think a real splitter should be first, then work on the rear. a spoiler in the rear does help some but they create a lot of drag. a wing creates downforce without creating much drag. my car is track only. if it was a street car, i would have to get another deck lid like some of these guys are talkin bout. i cant drive my heap to the alignment shop without the butt trumpet mafia trying to get their vin diesel on.

JOOC, what makes you think spoilers create a lot of drag, and wings create little drag?

1Coopgt 08-29-2017 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasted Youth (Post 9885965)
JOOC, what makes you think spoilers create a lot of drag, and wings create little drag?


A little reading . https://oppositelock.kinja.com/wings...ong-1665312667

Wasted Youth 08-29-2017 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 1Coopgt (Post 9886421)

:facepalm:

Quotes from the link you apparently didn't read:

"...a properly-designed spoiler can improve the drag coefficient of the vehicle even though it looks like a wall. That reduces drag and improves efficiency."

"Wings are airfoils designed to directly deflect air upwards and thus push the rear of the vehicle down. They generally add quite a bit of drag."

"Spoilers are barricades to undesirable flows, and thus are able to reshape airflow streams around the vehicle. This can help keep the rear of the vehicle down and decrease drag by changing the effective vehicle shape."


Basic stuff... And why I asked... Stating that spoilers create a lot of drag, and wings don't, couldn't be further from the truth...

JOHNSONROD 08-30-2017 06:36 AM

i wasnt trying to start a debate. i believe what i believe based on my own experience. i do all my own work and i track a lot.
i had a small spoiler on and i thought it helped. i made a bigger spoiler and i was pretty sure it helped. i pulled the big spoiler, put in the wing and added an undertray. the difference was immediate. the car was not only 3 seconds a lap faster, it picked up 4 MPH on the front straight. this is at my home track where i literally have thousands of laps and run very consistent times.
a real foil (wing) shape makes lift or downforce, depending on how its mounted, because of its shape. its what the wright brothers figured out back in the day. the air makes a longer trip around one side of the foil than it does the other. this creates the lift without adding a lot of drag. thats the way its supposed to work.
a big spoiler will add downforce and it will help the car over the couple of MPH it cost on the straights.
this is my opinion. i dont work on rockets, i just drive cars on race tracks every day.

olblue75 08-30-2017 07:41 AM

Let's see the under tray please.

JOHNSONROD 08-30-2017 07:50 AM

ill have to take a pic of it. i had a pic posted somewhere but i dont remember where. i think the old pic was the first one i made out of a dog kennel liner. the newer one is made from a sheet of ABS. im doing lead car duties all day but ill look for it while they are in class. ill probably have to take a pic though.

derek1387 08-30-2017 08:49 AM

I would definitely be interested in some information on that as well


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