Iv'e been told the same thing by a few experts. That is why you add the water to make it water/meth. Because the water is better at the cooling part.

WHAT? :confused0068:
your gonna give up that easy and let me run the first 9 second 1/4?
c'mon, put the nitrous on and get that 9 now!

I think he's got 9 secs without a shot...just has to get the right day and right conditions.

I thought he was saying the nitrous cools better than water? I don't know if that's true or not, but you are 100% correct that water cools better than methanol. Like mentioned below you, the mix is where it is at...you get fuel and cooling.

100%.

In your case probably close to none when you figure the drop in IAT. You are going to be looking at a gain of 70-90hp probably from a 50hp shot. Ill answer your PM today and we can get a little communication going.

Not even close of the drop in IAT from water vs a nitrous system. Water can still be used very effectively even in conjunction with nitrous. But for solving IAT, nothing does that like 50-150hp worth of nitrous.

So, Graham!

Lets take a look at what a small Nitrous system would be. Let's suppose I want to be able to remove for dealer visits, so the simpler the better.

Looking around at your website, here's some items that look good, but I'm wondering what the best combo of them would be. So here's my starter "shopping list"
- Dry ring spray that would fit a Roto-Fab V6 intake/filter
- Jetting for 50+ HP shot
- Window switch starting at 1850 rpm through 6,800
- TPS switch set to engage at 80% throttle
- related hardware
- smallest bottle to leave trunk as usable as possible
- remote bottle opener

Now, that's not what a full on drag racer would do, but they shoot a much larger shot, so the starting RPM and the TPS would both be higher. I'm hoping a small 50-60 shot would be usable in the above situation so it works as an assist without requiring all-or-none on the throttle.

Is that a realistic setup on a daily driven street car? What would you change to make it perfect as a "heat soak removal" kit. Since this is NOT a race kit, could some of the items be left off? what would the bare bone, but still complete kit look like? Think budget, not cutting edge (if there is such a thing in mod-world).

I know you can't post pricing, so right now we're just looking at a solution to a problem, not a kit for sale.

SC2150, (or anyone else) if you have any thoughts, chime in!

We can certianly work around a budget, but, the remote opener and Progressive controller you will want for the task and fairly pricey add on's when thinking budget.

I can work something up for you. Let me get you something lined out with some good pics as well for those reading with the same idea. Ill get after this in the AM. Long day I'm slacking a little. ;) I get where your going with on the idea and I can make it happen.

I understand slacking after a long day. Right now I'm at around 50 hours and still have tomorrow.

Take it easy and we'll check in tomorrow.

By the way, SC2150,

You mentioned the super chiller from the V8 section could. be adapted for NA vehicles. When I pm'd the guy selling them ( he had the G8), he said they were only for SC applications. Well, i went back to the start of that thread and it seems YOU were the start of that thread and the main developer. So, let me ask you, " what would be involved in developing an NA version, since the SC version cools the intercooler, and a NA doesn't have one, how would it cool the intake charge?

:popcorn:

We can use the same workings but cool a pass-through intercooler/heat exchanger so any air drawn past would be cooled just as the intercooler under a maggie/KB/Whipple does. Since it is not mounted right
on top of the engine valley it would not heat soak near as much as a SC one does....and would lower IAT's even more in theory. Now, the power gains would not be as great as a forced induction application as the compressing of the air charge itself is a great heat generator, but it would be similar to running in the cold months and cold air is what these motors love. Cost would be similar but a bit higher due to the need for a intercooler/heat exchanger.

My point was, if you want more power, you need more O2. I mean, cooling the air charge will get you more O2, but from the stand point of dollars to HP, NOS is the most bang for your buck, (pardon the pun)...

cooling the air charge gets more done with forced induction, but might not be worth the time or money on a naturally aspirated engine, as opposed to a bolt-on NOS kit.

NOS is bolt on, flick the switch and off you go, more O2, more fuel, and more power... The only drawback is keeping the airfuel ratio from going to lean and blow-torching your pistons.

I don't have too much experience with NOS, it was waaaay to dangerous to use on an air cooled porsche engine... So all the latest NOS stuff is new to me.. I'm learning from this thread as well...


Yes I was wrong there, I always get that ass-backwards because of the lower boiling point of the methanol.

We used water injection on the turbo porsches (street cars anyway). It was just so much easier to work with...

and yes, we were the old school mechanics streaming water into the intake to blow off all the carbon build up on the piston... :thumbsup:

So, if I understand this right, we would have a Freon filled intercooler under the airbox so as air is pulled up into the air filter, it is cooled? Or are we cutting out a section of the air tube and inserting the intercooler there? Or did I get this bass ackwards?

Would you estimate this gain using the formula of X degrees = Y hp change? So dropping from 110 to say 70 would be a drop of 40 degrees, so 16 - 20 hp? Or am I way off base?