5.147 liters is the true measurement. HP/TQ is still a mystery. The power to weight ratio was reported to be 6.63. When the weight is leaked? Then the HP will be known. When the HP is leaked? Then the weight will be known.

I read something recently that said the GT350R will be in the 70K range. I don't remember the source right now but when I do, I'll provide the link.

Mustangs are great muscle cars as well and should be appreciated for what they can do. The GT350 and 500's are excellent factory built machines and with that comment I would add that the Camaro SS, ZL1 and Z28's are also excellent machines. Not being an owner of a mustang and on the outside looking into that world I would have to say that Ford spends more time and money on developing street muscle and doing things at the factory that an end user would eventually do to the car in the first place. Chevy spreads the wealth around and leaves room for end user improvement on their own dime. The Z28 is only going to get better by bounds and Ford will have to give up on the chase for a track car ($$$) and go back to making cheap mega HP for 1/4 mile cars. I wish Chevy would quit leaving 30% plus on the table when they roll out performance based vehicles :(

I followed you until the second part of your post.

8250 :eyebulge::faint:

Referring to the class of just mustangs and Camaros. If Mustang wanted GT grade suspension your cars would be priced out of the park. You folks do a way better job at laying down high HP in smaller engines. Chevy has had an edge in semi cheap suspension that works on tracks (Personal opinion from driving both). Chevy has always left to much engine performance untapped for some bizzaro world reason for years where you guys push the factory parts in way that stays together over the long run. I think it blows that we have to do extra work on our engines that could have easily been done at the factory and not tore anything up... 90's and 20's you folks had bolt on madness advantage while Chevy just did nothing in my eyes and had limited options. The tables turned in the 10's for us; now I see you guys are coming back out to play in a short amount of time. I still think it costs us more in $$$ to keep up with the HP upgrades since our old reliable's we relied on to keep up with the Snake hurt bad unless you laid golden eggs. Now we have started to get options that don't break the bank which is why I think Ford is going to throw a few real good punches to get some breathing room. The first big ouch I seen is your new Rocket :w00t: So unless Ford is planning a track focused Stang the Z28 is going is going to walk away with this one in the end but only time will tell who is right or wrong. I do like the competition since it benefits both sides of the house in the long run as long as Chevy takes it personally and doesn't go back into that dark closet.

"2nd place is a first place looser"

Ummmm what?

WTF? Are paragraphs not taught in Oregon?

LOL Does it really really matter in a car forum?

I think it matters if you want to be understood; regardless of the venue.

I can't believe there isn't more chatter about this car. I had to SEARCH for this thread. There is no GT350R talk anywhere to be found. Why? Is Camaro5 afraid of this car?

These videos are SICK.

https://www.facebook.com/caranddrive...4054252107977/

Maybe they took the Recaro's, dual-mode exhaust, intake manifold and headers straight off the Z2/8. I don't care. This car is about 1,000,000 times better than the (IMO extremely disappointing) Z2/8. Sounds awesome, loud as balls, looks great and 8300 RPM's in an NA V8? WOOT! Man, I think I finally like a Ford. It's been awhile.

Performance-wise, I have a feeling this is going to smoke the Z2/8 around the 'ring.

I think the base GT350 is going to come in a little shy of ZL1 times for a great price/perfirmance bargain, especially considering its 3 years older and still costs a lot less.

Your GT350 with performance pack (ala mangina...errr...magna ride) is gonna land between zl1 and z28 performance for a price thats very competitive considering what it offers.

The GT350R ought to edge a z28 by a small margin. Thats what carbon wheels and less weight with a bit of a power advantage will do.

Honestly, other than price per model, NOBODY, should be surprised how any level of GT350 performs.

The GT350 is supposed to start at $49,995. A considerable discount to any ZL1. The base GT350R with no options (no A/C, radio) is estimated to be $61,000-65,000. That's ZL1 pricing. The fully optioned GT350R will probably cost less than the Z2/8, which is a total stripper no matter what. I see this car having a major advantage. GM isn't doing anything radical, here. They're recycling engines they've had for years. You have to hand it to Ford for designing a completely new motor. GM doesn't have the guts to do that!

I think the GT350R will come in at slightly less than or no more than the Z/28 when fully optioned with all the creature comforts and still beat it around the ring. That's VERY impressive if you ask me. And that sound, oh man. I sure hope for Ford's sake this motor holds up to 100,000 miles. Those heads will be under a lot of pressure at 8250 RPM's. Hopefully the valves don't explode like on the LS7...

sounds like 3 pages of speculation against a previous gen competitor. Lets see whats in store for performance model 6 gen's with LT1's