UnknownJinX |
04-18-2022 01:22 AM |
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Originally Posted by Number 3
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First you are simply restating m6 point on Cadillac V6.
A “fake” manual has zero to do with being an appliance any more than having an automatic in a Camaro makes it an appliance.
And an EV may offer you nothing (doesn’t do much for me yet) but it does do prett6 much everything you claim to want with the exception of NVH and shifting and as most Camaro buyers buy automatics it does everything most Camaro buyers ant with the only exception being NVH.
I’ll say it again, EVs offer everything but GENUINE vroom, vroom sounds and fast charging.
If you really and truly believe GM would replace the Camaro and CT4/5 with cars that aren’t interesting, engaging and enjoyable to drive then you simply letting your anti EV colors cloud your vision.
And if you simply read Taycan or eTron GT reviews with an open mind (hard to do these days) you will not read about boring appliances. They are beautiful, and from every review, awesome performance cars. But they are EVs.
It’s totally ok if you need the NVH of an ICE. Big fan myself. But people have to stop with the BS that simply being an EV precludes it from being an awesome performance car.
Everyone is starting with SUVs right now because that’s where the volume is. And no a Bolt or Bolt EUV are not awesome performance cars. But they are no more appliances than a Trailblazer.
Me? I fully believe GM has a performance coupe on the way. And short of the NVH issues I expect it to drive and handle very well. I expect it to be great to look at and exciting to drive. They won’t do it if they can’t achieve those things. It won’t be a Cruise Origin or even close as some people keep going on about them being appliances.
Saying an EV is an appliance is just a weak put down when all you have to do is look around at the EVs here or coming. It’s just simply not a true statement but an easy slight to make.
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The issue here is that people here love their ICE and/or manual trans. Sure, some part of this love is driven by logic, but a lot of it is irrational, and here you are, trying to counter it with logic. It's doomed to fail.
Also, your argument basically relies on NVH being trivial to most people here, but it isn't. In fact, if the LT1 is as smooth as the Lexus V8 that can run on the dyno without making the stacked champagne glasses fall over, it would kill a good part of the experience for me. A lot of people here are probably the same. This is supposed to be a raw pony car, not a luxury appliance I fall asleep in.
https://youtu.be/kWW71S36Qx4
Basically, you can pick every hobby apart if you try. You could go ask why audiophiles obsess themselves with super expensive headphone when the mass consumer stuff does just fine. You could go ask why people like playing golf when the practice can get repetitive. It's not necessarily the objective metrics that decide everything. As long as the experience makes you feel happy, that's the formula that works.
Now if we want to get technical... You are making charging speed improvement sound trivial. It's like the "solid state batteries are just 5 years away!" stuff all over again. Power = Voltage × Current, that's pretty basic stuff. You can only safely crank voltage and current up so much before safety becomes an issue, whether it be electrical shock from the high voltage or heat/fire from high current. We also know that lithium batteries hate being charged or discharged quickly. While this is generally not a huge issue for private use vehicles, taxi use will just chew through batteries like nothing. There are just way too many miracle battery shams out there that, again, I will only believe it when I see it.
I am recently doing some car shopping with a family friend and honestly, I think the idea of PHEV is pretty nice. I think that can stick around for a good while until there is a genuine improvement for battery tech, assuming it can even be done.
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