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Blacc Mamba 07-03-2012 01:39 PM

Ticket!!
 
So I was helping a friend move from his a apartment, as we are going back in forth putting stuff in the uhaul I see a parking enforcement car, mind you the uhaul is park on the sidewalk, so I watch as she just passes by and think nothing of it. 10 minutes someone who was outside by the sidewalk comes running in to the building to say hurry they are giving you guys a ticket. So we immediately assume the uhaul. I get out there and my car which is behind the uhaul parked legally, has a paper on the window:iono:, as I get closer it is a ticket, not for parking but out of all the things, one for no front license plate:mad0259:. So for no apparent reason she felt she had to give me a ticket, I tried to flag her down before she pulled off, but she just sped away. I had only just recently added the zl1 fascia, so of course I don't and will not have a front license plate.

Does anyone know a way to solve this problem, without have to get a front license plate?

Mr. Unassailable 07-03-2012 01:42 PM

pay the fine? Its law in texas also. The tickets are cheap and are not moving violations. I have not gotten one in several years, I think it was like $80 the last time I did. even at $100/ year, its better than drilling my bumper.

linkwpc 07-03-2012 02:11 PM

Thats the risk you take everyday if you do not have a front plate.

Bluffen 07-03-2012 02:22 PM

It may be state law in california but a federal law allows cars not to have front plates. many exotic cars are driven without one and you can take a picture of your bumper and show there is no plate frame. Since it was Parking enforcement and not a cop write a letter to dispute it go online to find the federal law and attach it.

H3LLH0uNd84 07-03-2012 02:24 PM

One thing I've seen is that sum guys would zip tie the plates to the front. And they get signed off.

Bluffen 07-03-2012 02:25 PM

If you travel widely by car in the United States, expect to encounter a variety of license-plate laws from state to state. The U.S. government only issues license plates for its federal vehicles and for foreign diplomats, and these vehicles are only required to have a rear plate.
All other drivers are issued vehicle plates by their state governments.
Some states require that cars have both a front and rear license plate and some require only a rear license plates

Read more: U.S. Laws on Front License Plates | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5250734_u_...#ixzz1zaabIg00

In Nevada, front plates are optional if the vehicle was not designed for a front plate and the manufacturer did not provide an add-on bracket or other means of displaying the front plate.[7]

In the United States, 19 states – Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, New Mexico, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, and West Virginia – do not require an official front license plate, nor do the U.S. Virgin Islands or the territory of Puerto Rico

strych9 07-03-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluffen (Post 5232043)
It may be state law in california but a federal law allows cars not to have front plates. many exotic cars are driven without one and you can take a picture of your bumper and show there is no plate frame. Since it was Parking enforcement and not a cop write a letter to dispute it go online to find the federal law and attach it.

Please provide the sources used to derive this information. Thanks.

el ess A 07-03-2012 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluffen (Post 5232077)
In Nevada, front plates are optional if the vehicle was not designed for a front plate and the manufacturer did not provide an add-on bracket or other means of displaying the front plate.

You're contradicting yourself there, Internet Lawyer.

First you say there's a federal law that says you don't have to have a front plate (show where that would have jurisdiction please, because in this case I can only find it does NOT apply), but then you talk about state laws and drag up states where this doesn't even apply.

States reserve the rights to administer and regulate their own transportation registrations within state boundaries. However, GM supplies a front plate holder (I believe it's RPO VK3, but not sure- and may even charge for it now, not sure) for vehicles destined for states that require front plates. Whether you allow them to mount it is up to you. So for the Camaro, the Nevada exemption does not apply because 1) This apparently was in California, and 2) GM supplies front mounting provisions for Camaros. And in California, it appears GM can't send the car to the state, and the dealership can't even deliver your Camaro without the front bracket (without an exemption from the buyer).


To wit (California law):

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11713.17. (a) Following the retail sale or lease of a motor vehicle for which the department issues two license plates, a dealer may not deliver the motor vehicle unless either of the following occurs:
(1) The motor vehicle is equipped with a bracket or other means of securing a front license plate.
(2) The dealer obtains a signed written acknowledgment from the person taking delivery of the motor vehicle acknowledging both of the following:
(A) The person expressly refused installation of a bracket or other means of securing the front license plate.
(B) The person understands that California law requires a license plate to be displayed from and securely fastened to the front of the motor vehicle and that the hardware necessary to securely fasten the front plate is available from the dealer.
(b) A manufacturer or distributor may not sell or distribute in this state a new motor vehicle for which the department issues two license plates, unless that motor vehicle is equipped or provided with a bracket or other means of securing the license plates.

Added Sec. 1, Ch. 365, Stats. 2004. Effective January 1, 2005.
And here's how they want you to place it:

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5201. License plates shall at all times be securely fastened to the vehicle for which they are issued so as to prevent the plates from swinging, shall be mounted in a position so as to be clearly visible, and so that the characters are upright and display from left to right, and shall be maintained in a condition so as to be clearly legible. The rear license plate shall be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 60 inches from the ground, and the front license plate shall be mounted not more than 60 inches from the ground, except as follows:(a) The rear license plate on a tow truck or repossessor’s tow vehicle may be mounted on the left-hand side of the mast assembly at the rear of the cab of the vehicle, not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground.
(b) The rear license plate on a tank vehicle hauling hazardous waste, as defined in Section 25117 of the Health and Safety Code, or asphalt material may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground.
(c) The rear license plate on a truck tractor may be mounted at the rear of the cab of the vehicle, but not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground.
(d) The rear license plate of a vehicle designed by the manufacturer for the collection and transportation of garbage, rubbish, or refuse that is used regularly for the collection and transportation of that material by a person or governmental entity employed to collect, transport, and dispose of garbage, rubbish, or refuse may be mounted not less than 12 inches nor more than 90 inches from the ground.
(e) The rear license plate on a two-axle livestock trailer may be mounted 12 inches or more, but not more than 90 inches, from the ground.
(f) A covering shall not be used on license plates except as follows:
(1) The installation of a cover over a lawfully parked vehicle to protect it from the weather and the elements does not constitute a violation of this subdivision. A peace officer or other regularly salaried employee of a public agency designated to enforce laws, including local ordinances, relating to the parking of vehicles may temporarily remove so much of the cover as is necessary to inspect any license plate, tab, or indicia of registration on a vehicle.
(2) The installation of a license plate security cover is not a violation of this subdivision if the device does not obstruct or impair the recognition of the license plate information, including, but not limited to, the issuing state, license plate number, and registration tabs, and the cover is limited to the area directly over the top of the registration tabs. No portion of a license plate security cover shall rest over the license plate number.
(g) A casing, shield, frame, border, product, or other device that obstructs or impairs the reading or recognition of a license plate by an electronic device operated by state or local law enforcement, an electronic device operated in connection with a toll road, high-occupancy toll lane, toll bridge, or other toll facility, or a remote emission sensing device, as specified in Sections 44081 and 44081.6 of the Health and Safety Code, shall not be installed on, or affixed to, a vehicle.
(h) (1) It is the intent of the Legislature that an accommodation be made to persons with disabilities and to those persons who regularly transport persons with disabilities, to allow the removal and relocation of wheelchair lifts and wheelchair carriers without the necessity of removing and reattaching the vehicle's rear license plate. Therefore, it is not a violation of this section if the reading or recognition of a rear license plate is obstructed or impaired by a wheelchair lift or wheelchair carrier and all of the following requirements are met:
(A) The owner of the vehicle has been issued a special identification license plate pursuant to Section 5007, or the person using the wheelchair that is carried on the vehicle has been issued a distinguishing placard under Section 22511.55.
(B) (i) The operator of the vehicle displays a decal, designed and issued by the department, that contains the license plate number assigned to the vehicle transporting the wheelchair.
In essence- if you're going to be an Internet Lawyer, at LEAST do some fact checking first.

MARINE1991 07-03-2012 04:10 PM

register your car in FL... :thumbup: :w00t: :drinking::thumbsup:

Inferno LSX 07-03-2012 06:36 PM

The state should do away with front plates. Think of the metal that can be saved if Cali no longer issued front metal plates. Of all the tree hugger BS this state is about I'm surprised we still get metal plates.

Blacc Mamba 07-03-2012 07:05 PM

Yea I'll probably just zip tie it for the inspection, it's crazy though I thought my tint would be the first thing that they would attack

Run4two 07-03-2012 07:15 PM

What city did this occur in?

90503 07-03-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Inferno LS3 (Post 5233360)
The state should do away with front plates. Think of the metal that can be saved if Cali no longer issued front metal plates. Of all the tree hugger BS this state is about I'm surprised we still get metal plates.

Decided not to "risk" it or worry about it...Put mine on using stock plastic frame...Not in stock position, just lower, used toggle screws...no holes...

Rhyder 07-03-2012 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacc Mamba (Post 5231810)
"So for no apparent reason she felt she had to give me a ticket"

" I had only just recently added the zl1 fascia, so of course I don't and will not have a front license plate."

Does anyone know a way to solve this problem, without have to get a front license plate?

I’m confused, one minute you state she gave you a ticket for no apparent reason, then belligerently state that even though the law says you have to have a front plate, you WILL NOT have one.

So you answered your own question and it wasn’t for no apparent reason, the reason was very apparent. And you have two options to "solve" this problem, pay the fine everytime your ticketed or get a front plate....

If you knowingly break the law and refuse to follow it even after you are ticketed, you have absolutely no grounds to complain about getting tickets for it....

I find this thread meaningless............

mlee 07-03-2012 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacc Mamba (Post 5233473)
Yea I'll probably just zip tie it for the inspection, it's crazy though I thought my tint would be the first thing that they would attack

If you have your stock mouting bracket, doublesided stick tape works well for the inspection.

Obzen 07-03-2012 07:55 PM

I have the hide-a-plate on mine. I'd recommend it but I don't think it would fit on the ZL1 front end.

sangerbanger58 07-03-2012 09:51 PM

Retractable front plate, but the ZL1 bumper is low

GunnyG 07-03-2012 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by strych9 (Post 5232309)
Please provide the sources used to derive this information. Thanks.

He's a LEO...I'd trust what he's saying. LoL

Blacc Mamba 07-03-2012 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Run4two (Post 5233503)
What city did this occur in?

El segundo and prairie, so I think that's Hawthorne

Blacc Mamba 07-03-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mlee (Post 5233588)
If you have your stock mouting bracket, doublesided stick tape works well for the inspection.

It actually just came from the body shop a week ago, so I don't even have the stock mounting bracket

mlee 07-03-2012 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacc Mamba (Post 5234332)
It actually just came from the body shop a week ago, so I don't even have the stock mounting bracket

Find one of your buddies w/ one laying around. Mines sitting on a shelf in my garage...:laugh:

90503 07-03-2012 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacc Mamba (Post 5234332)
It actually just came from the body shop a week ago, so I don't even have the stock mounting bracket

Trey, don't stress...just go tie-wraps for now...I know you don't want to go permanent plate "yet" with your new front end...Then you can look around and see what style of frame you want later...

Odds are you won't get another one, but if you do, figure it out then.

Tom

VR Baron 07-04-2012 12:07 AM

It depends where you are I guess. I havent had a front plate on a Camaro since 1983. Never been pulled over and alot of copshave seen me from head on.And very few new Camaros do I see with a front plate. Luck of the draw I guess

Blacc Mamba 07-04-2012 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by VR Baron (Post 5234578)
It depends where you are I guess. I havent had a front plate on a Camaro since 1983. Never been pulled over and alot of copshave seen me from head on.And very few new Camaros do I see with a front plate. Luck of the draw I guess

Yea pretty much

cterry 07-04-2012 12:56 AM

[QUOTE=VR Baron;5234578]It depends where you are I guess. I havent had a front plate on a Camaro since 1983. Never been pulled over and alot of copshave seen me from head on.And very few new Camaros do I see with a front plate. Luck of the draw I guess[/QUOTE


Same here, pulled over 2x's. Warning once and ticket for speeding the 2nd time, and deserved it for sure. :facepalm:
Windows smoked and 70% on whole windshild. No issue with lack of plate either time. Cop wants to write up stupid crap, he/ she is going to. Luck of the draw sounds about right.

SSGUNNER 07-04-2012 01:30 PM

Damn, I didn't know parking enforcers give tickets for no plates.

Bluffen 07-04-2012 02:14 PM

I am just saying federal vehicles even in CA do not need a front plate, this would be ammunition to use if it was a ticket from the police not parking enforcement to state your case in court. Just a suggestion seen it used before...its a chicken shit ticket anyway. Unless the person receiving it was an ass or worse. :)

longbeachss2010 07-04-2012 02:35 PM

I got a ticket also .2am police CHP drove through the city streets nd found my car in the streets with tint nd no front plate... I call to complain since that's not his territory . They basically said any cop,chp rent a cop can give tickets for tint front plate

Bluffen 07-05-2012 10:40 AM

When it comes to CHP they have jurisdiction in the whole state for traffic issues.

fiascoes1 07-05-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VR Baron (Post 5234578)
It depends where you are I guess. I havent had a front plate on a Camaro since 1983. Never been pulled over and alot of copshave seen me from head on.And very few new Camaros do I see with a front plate. Luck of the draw I guess

That's cause you look like a cop lol.:laugh:

90503 07-05-2012 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by fiascoes1 (Post 5241831)
That's cause you look like a cop lol.:laugh:

...Just keep a $50.00 bill hanging in the rolled-up driver's side window...lol

So Cal Camaro 07-05-2012 06:00 PM

I know they walk through the LAX parking lots and cite cars without front plates, they got me once that way on a prior car.

GunnyG 07-05-2012 06:09 PM

Caught a break from CHP yesterday (I believe I was in the right all along). Going north on I-5 around Mission Viejo. CHP entered freeway in front of me. He's cruising along at 65-70. I'm behind him, just keeping pace. He slows and gets next to me. Knowing I'm not speeding, I didn't slow down. He then gets behind me. I switched lanes, he switched lanes. BAM! Lights me up. Said I was speeding. How could that be, when he was in front of me. I never sped up while he was beside me or behind me. He first said he radar'd me at 78, then he said he paced another car at 80, and I was going the same. After I voiced my disagreement, he said he'd cut me a break and give me a warning. I must be a CHP magnet. I'm 2-0 with them though. Side marker ticket thrown out, and this officer didn't cite me. I gotta play the Lotto tomorrow.

909Camaro! 07-05-2012 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnyG (Post 5242346)
Caught a break from CHP yesterday (I believe I was in the right all along). Going north on I-5 around Mission Viejo. CHP entered freeway in front of me. He's cruising along at 65-70. I'm behind him, just keeping pace. He slows and gets next to me. Knowing I'm not speeding, I didn't slow down. He then gets behind me. I switched lanes, he switched lanes. BAM! Lights me up. Said I was speeding. How could that be, when he was in front of me. I never sped up while he was beside me or behind me. He first said he radar'd me at 78, then he said he paced another car at 80, and I was going the same. After I voiced my disagreement, he said he'd cut me a break and give me a warning. I must be a CHP magnet. I'm 2-0 with them though. Side marker ticket thrown out, and this officer didn't cite me. I gotta play the Lotto tomorrow.

lucky gunny my damn ticket just came on the mail for speeding cost is $443.00 grr man! and then traffic school $57.00 grand total of $500.00 im in a shit hole tryna digg my self out fml...

909Camaro! 07-05-2012 07:27 PM

he got me for "speeding" and no front plate

MARINE1991 07-05-2012 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 909Camaro! (Post 5242719)
lucky gunny my damn ticket just came on the mail for speeding cost is $443.00 grr man! and then traffic school $57.00 grand total of $500.00 im in a shit hole tryna digg my self out fml...

That sucks jorge... :facepalm: :paddle: :bs:

Bluffen 07-05-2012 07:33 PM

State needs money fellas, chippies are citing everything, Gunny glad you stood your ground I HATE chp officers they lie way to often and give us good cops a bad name.

909Camaro! 07-05-2012 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MARINE1991 (Post 5242740)
That sucks jorge... :facepalm: :paddle: :bs:

I know David :mad0259: are you going to the meet this weekend?

MARINE1991 07-05-2012 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 909Camaro! (Post 5242767)
I know David :mad0259: are you going to the meet this weekend?

no I have to go to FL my mom is sick..... :mad0259::mad0260: :paddle: :yikes:

caper 07-05-2012 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnyG (Post 5242346)
Caught a break from CHP yesterday (I believe I was in the right all along). Going north on I-5 around Mission Viejo. CHP entered freeway in front of me. He's cruising along at 65-70. I'm behind him, just keeping pace. He slows and gets next to me. Knowing I'm not speeding, I didn't slow down. He then gets behind me. I switched lanes, he switched lanes. BAM! Lights me up. Said I was speeding. How could that be, when he was in front of me. I never sped up while he was beside me or behind me. He first said he radar'd me at 78, then he said he paced another car at 80, and I was going the same. After I voiced my disagreement, he said he'd cut me a break and give me a warning. I must be a CHP magnet. I'm 2-0 with them though. Side marker ticket thrown out, and this officer didn't cite me. I gotta play the Lotto tomorrow.

wow...shady...i am NOT a fan of CHP...i feel they just sit around lookin for people to give grief to. i have been nailed by them a couple times for tint, plate etc. never for speeding...i seem to have good luck there. its not that i dont speed - i do (nothing too crazy). but thankfully for one reason or another, whenever i see one lately i am going slower. anyone who travels on the 210 between the 15 and 215 - they are EVERYWHERE! and hiding in some creative spots too. city police have never even looked twice at me...


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