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Mr Twisty 09-14-2008 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverTurtle (Post 130049)

Looks familiar

Cmyskill 09-14-2008 12:33 PM

The best thing about this idea is that anyone could check this option and get a top of the line car without the dealer doing a super high markup. It really upsets me to see all the limited hi-performace edition cars going to the super rich. I want one and would gladly pay for it but screeeeew the 20K dollar markups.... Just my thought.. I like the check box idea.....

2kwik 09-14-2008 07:38 PM

DO IT..... DOOOOO ITTTT!!!!!

drivingincamaro 09-14-2008 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 2kwik (Post 130352)
DO IT..... DOOOOO ITTTT!!!!!

GIT IN DA CHOPPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh:

but yeah that's a great idea,

i hope fbodfather chimes in and expresses his opinion

gunslinger 09-14-2008 09:05 PM

I've said it before and I will say it again... slapping a supercharger on an engine not designed for it can only cause problems later on down the road. Even the cast pistons in the LSA are a liability.

Unless the Z28 package w/ the S/C includes a set of forged pistons, the reliability that I want from a FULL production Z/28 will keep from buying this package. Or a full warranty to 100K when buying this package...

For the price of a GMPP package, I could rebuild the LS3 for forced induction and still have money left in the bank. I have NEVER liked the reliability aspect of slapping a S/C onto a motor designed for N/A. I understand that it has been done in the past, but that does not make it the right decision.

radz28 09-15-2008 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gunslinger (Post 130384)
I've said it before and I will say it again... slapping a supercharger on an engine not designed for it can only cause problems later on down the road. Even the cast pistons in the LSA are a liability.

Unless the Z28 package w/ the S/C includes a set of forged pistons, the reliability that I want from a FULL production Z/28 will keep from buying this package. Or a full warranty to 100K when buying this package...

For the price of a GMPP package, I could rebuild the LS3 for forced induction and still have money left in the bank. I have NEVER liked the reliability aspect of slapping a S/C onto a motor designed for N/A. I understand that it has been done in the past, but that does not make it the right decision.

:word: But, if that's the hand we're dealt, then that's what we have.

Camaro_Corvette 09-15-2008 10:12 AM

This is the way i figured they would do it. If they were going to do it, it would almost have to be a package that you could get at the dealer.

+ a hundred on that option package to be checked(if i had the dough)

Congoman775 09-15-2008 01:43 PM

hey question about this...

(and dont jump on me for speculating...)


But is this something that you could buy AFTER getting your car? i ask because there is no way i could aford a 5-8k mark up past 30k, but id love to add it to the car after i could make that money.

what are the odds of having an SS be converted to a Z28 post Factory through aftermarket products? kinda like a mustang stage 3 might do...

13F20 09-15-2008 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Congoman775 (Post 130695)
hey question about this...

(and dont jump on me for speculating...)


But is this something that you could buy AFTER getting your car? i ask because there is no way i could aford a 5-8k mark up past 30k, but id love to add it to the car after i could make that money.

what are the odds of having an SS be converted to a Z28 post Factory through aftermarket products? kinda like a mustang stage 3 might do...

When you ask a question about a speculated idea that is not certain then all you will get is answers to your question that are theoretical and not fact. You say “Don’t jump on me for speculating”. But the question you ask requires a defeat answer that no one has.

radz28 09-15-2008 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Congoman775 (Post 130695)
hey question about this...

(and dont jump on me for speculating...)


But is this something that you could buy AFTER getting your car? i ask because there is no way i could aford a 5-8k mark up past 30k, but id love to add it to the car after i could make that money.

what are the odds of having an SS be converted to a Z28 post Factory through aftermarket products? kinda like a mustang stage 3 might do...

I don't see why this couldn't be done, personally. However, I think it would seriously depend on the way GM went about making Z28. For example: I'm going to use the supercharged idea (DUH! :D) If that car were going to be rated at, say, 550 horse', GM would surely use at least a strengthened tranny (6L90 and dual-disk 6060); beefier rear end (probably larger diameter ring and pinion, axles, and housing); larger diameter brakes (I'm sure since SS has 4-pot calipers, upgrading to 15" rotors wouldn't be out of the question); maybe wider wheels (why go BIGGER than 20-inch standards - isn't there talk of 21-inch accessories?); and probably some stiffening in the chassis (maybe heavier-duty engine and rear axle craddles and a few extra bolt-on braces). Then, there's probably going to be appearance changes too: hood, front facia, maybe rear spoiler. That's not even thinking about adding another cooling circuit for an intercooler and everything that goes with that.

To answer your question - I'd say you could do it, but would it be cost effective?... IF, GM were to make Z28 like this, I would be willing to be a paycheck that upgrading an SS to a Z28 would be more expensive than just buying a Z28 outright from the beginning. I think this is a struggle some people face and are just anxious about; the not knowing when part.

Now, if GM were to go a more traditional route, I think adding 10-20 more horse' and dropping weight would be easier than what I speculated above. Taking away from a car is a lot easier than adding to it.

I don't have any facts to support which way GM would/have/is/was going with Z28, I'm just taking a shot in the dark ;)

Congoman775 09-15-2008 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by radz282003 (Post 130731)
I don't see why this couldn't be done, personally. However, I think it would seriously depend on the way GM went about making Z28. For example: I'm going to use the supercharged idea (DUH! :D) If that car were going to be rated at, say, 550 horse', GM would surely use at least a strengthened tranny (6L90 and dual-disk 6060); beefier rear end (probably larger diameter ring and pinion, axles, and housing); larger diameter brakes (I'm sure since SS has 4-pot calipers, upgrading to 15" rotors wouldn't be out of the question); maybe wider wheels (why go BIGGER than 20-inch standards - isn't there talk of 21-inch accessories?); and probably some stiffening in the chassis (maybe heavier-duty engine and rear axle craddles and a few extra bolt-on braces). Then, there's probably going to be appearance changes too: hood, front facia, maybe rear spoiler. That's not even thinking about adding another cooling circuit for an intercooler and everything that goes with that.

To answer your question - I'd say you could do it, but would it be cost effective?... IF, GM were to make Z28 like this, I would be willing to be a paycheck that upgrading an SS to a Z28 would be more expensive than just buying a Z28 outright from the beginning. I think this is a struggle some people face and are just anxious about; the not knowing when part.

Now, if GM were to go a more traditional route, I think adding 10-20 more horse' and dropping weight would be easier than what I speculated above. Taking away from a car is a lot easier than adding to it.

I don't have any facts to support which way GM would/have/is/was going with Z28, I'm just taking a shot in the dark ;)

:word:

Who knows... might be a road worth traveling down...

Long way off though, ive still got alot of savings to do before the SS comes into the picture!! :happyanim:

radz28 09-15-2008 02:42 PM

+1 :D

Cessna510 09-22-2008 01:44 AM

Great Idea! It would be a fairly rare car and since there will be so many other options few would be alike. RS|Z28..base Z28.....body kit....21's... stripes...colors....wing...blade

SScott 09-28-2008 03:47 AM

Guess I'll have to wait two MORE years to get a factory blown Camaro. The car is so tuff lookin'. but I don't NEED to get my butt kicked by blown mustangs and turbo'd hondas.


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