LS7 1LE
Why couldn't GM just give us all what we REALLY WANTED?
The 1LE is already an extremely capable track car, couldn't the LS7 be dropped in there and made available to us for around 50? No need going to great lenghts to make the Z-28 a "track" car. No one was thinking ceramic brakes until yesterday because no one was asking for them. |
It's not like the old days I believe like in the 60's when you can choose what engine you want in you're car. For them to come out with the car now with that motor and all those enhancements was for a purpose - to establish dominance in that niche and to set the tone. Ford now has a tall order to come up with something that will match the Z/28.
For them to just put in the 427 in an SS with the available 1LE option was not the direction they wanted to go. And it's not just the Ceramic brakes, it's the other 200 changes they made to make it the Z/28. |
Because GM didn't think that was enough to honor the Z/28 badge.
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I'm not sure what you are getting it. Those that wan't it WILL get it..... |
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I believe th OP is suggesting that most (myself included) would have jumped at the chance to have a LS7 in a fifth gen. An LS7 in 1LE trim with sticky tires would pull similar skid pad numbers and would likely perform very similar to the Z28 for under 50 grand. Any hard core track junkie might just want to swap out brakes, seats, wheels, etc to take it to the level that they would like.
All said I didn't need a Z28, but would have not thought twice about ordering a 1LE LS7... Period... |
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The amount of crying you have been doing over this car is insane. |
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I think Gm did the right thing , making this car a serious balls out performance vehicle............I personally would swap this over my zl1..........the zl1 is not raunchy enough for me........I like road noise and HARDCOREPERFORMANCE only....zl1 is a bit of a cadillac like performance car .......
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Here is how I look at your question.
An LS7 in a 1LE would maybe be equal to a ZL1...........maybe. The 1LE is 150 pounds lighter (supercharger) and would be 80 HP down from the LSA. How does that car run with a ZL1? What you would have is just another version of the same performance. And simply putting the LS7 in the 1LE would give you a $50,000 car. So it would be the "lesser" of the two cars. To give the Z28 a reason to be, beyond simply a badge, GM had go above the ZL1 in track performance. And to do that you get the LS7, the best brakes GM knows how to do and enough weight reduction to make up for the 80 hp. Now in a straight line, a ZL1 might actually run faster than a Z28. We'll have to wait and see. To give the Z28 it's "reason for being" it needs to be lighter so it can turn in the corners better, accelerate out harder. That's the 300 pounds. And no one should assume that that was simply throwing parts out (like we've discussed over the past few years) It took real, honest to goodness engineering and testing and validation and I can assure that is NOT free or cheap. And to give it another advantage you add the best brakes known to passenger cardom. Combined with the LS7 you now have a NA engine with low mass and chassis and brakes to get this car to nearly Z06 levels. I'll be very curious to see the tests. Also keep in mind that since the ZL1 already beats the dead Boss and GT500 around the track, there is no real competition for the Z28. It stands alone as what it is, and how it goes about it. I know everyone would have loved an LS7 in the 1LE. We had a thread on that well over a year ago. It just wouldn't have justified the car or the nameplate relative to the ZL1. |
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I think the reason they didn't make an LS7 with the 1LE is because they would not be able to keep up with demand (the LS7 is hand built) Also that would diminish the LS7's value as there would be too many out there. Could be wrong but just my two cents. |
All great points BUT no pricing available yet. So those who want one should be getting on their dealers' lists...NOW.
Maybe we should think of this as a street-legal COPO...and we know what happened, initially, to those prices...don't we? BTW, I'm "on the list"... |
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I always thought they could drop any optional engine into whatever model and still, each model would be unique...But inter-changeable engine options are just not the way they efficiently build cars these days...The model dictates the engine, and that's the only option...
...Nothing says you can't do it yourself whenever you want... |
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Just because somebody wants something doesn't mean they have the means to attain it. |
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Speaking of Ford...and their Spring '14 release...does anyone figure they're burnin' the midnite oil figgerin' out what to do to match the "Heavy Chevy"?
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Easy enough. Take out the sound deadener. Michael |
It's all fun and games until those LS7 exhaust valves start failing... :pout:
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+1 again...., this is becoming habit. Do you now think most of the ls7 engines will make it into production cars? (before you thought about 2000 2014 Z/28s)? A few weeks ago the last one went into the last z06. About 30 a day are hand built. That gives GM the capacity to have about 5 to 6 thousand for the 2014 MY. |
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For the sake of fairness so does the LS3 equipped 1LE!! :smoking: |
Because once you put a premium priced engine like the LS7 in a Camaro with suspension, brakes and hardware to match the performance it's already at the ZL1 price point.
It's either you have a LS3 like in 1LE for under $40k or you go with the LS7 and quickly jump to the ZL1 range. For economic reasons you can't have both. I know this has been beaten to death in the Z28 forums for as long as the 5th Gen Camaro has been out. |
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Also showing these numbers from factory the z28 was not the fastest car in the lineup, pretty much only faster than the ss350 in 67 and most likely faster than the 69 ss350 but i couldn't find a factory time slip for it :( 1967 (Z-28) 302/290bhp: 0-60 in 6.9 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.85 sec @ 101mph (SS350) 350/295: 1/4 mile in 15.4 seconds @ 90 mph (SS396) 396/325bhp: 0-60 in 6.0 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.5 sec @ 99mph 1969 (Z-28) 302/290bhp: 0-60 in 7.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 15.12 sec @ 94.8mph (SS396) 396/375bhp: 0-60 in 6.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.7 sec @ 98.7mph (COPO 9561) 427/425bhp: 0-60 in 5.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec @ 102mph (COPO 9560) 427/430bhp: 0-60 in 5.3 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.16 sec @ 110 mph |
The size of the engine has nothing to do with ZL1 or Z28 or SS.
Welcome to 2013/14 where GM is stomping cars around the track left and right. Instead of settling for two of the fastest cars around a track, GM decided to slyly grin, and release a street-able car that will best the non-street legal Boss' out of Ford. While people on here in-fight about whats better the ZL1 or the Z28. Who really cares? If you want a Z28 and you have a ZL1, obviously money isn't an issue so get one. If you have an SS and wanted the Z28 and it's out of your price range, go get a 1LE. Chevrolet currently has three of the fastest cars around a track that you can buy for less than $60K (guessing on the Z28 price here). What else could we, as camaro owners want? Sure that pesky '13 GT500 will go faster in a straight line, but let them have that. Our cars are more reliable, inspire confidence in corners, and are by far the better vehicle to own. EDIT: Forgot, our cars that cost less than $60K are beating cars that cost 2-5x more. It's a good time to support General Motors. |
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My route is build a car to play with the big boys for 1/2 of what they are spending :D But if I were to buy a 5th gen it would either be a 13 1LE or 13ZL1 since i don't like the 14's at all :( |
I'm right there with you regarding building a faster car for less. It's very much so do-able. Just like all the ZL1 guys can add a cam, CAI, LT headers, and pulleys to make-up the 300lb weight difference. OR just order the brake kit whenever it becomes available, and order the lighter rear-window. The glory if today's era is that while we're stuck with one engine block, there's no stopping you from doing whatever you want and ending up with a car that fits your needs and your wants.
I just can't wait to hear that whine of the supercharger on my ZL1. Plus, even if a Z28 is faster, i'll let him beat me once. After that we'll just go hunt mustangs together :) |
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I wish i could make it to C5fest :( I'll be in Afghanistan though. Rain check, beer sounds really good right about now!
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well the car wont be ready for at least a year then i need to save money for gas and hotel etc so it'll be a few years! thank you for serving our country!!!
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The 2015 mustang gt will probably have as much hp as a base c7. That new 5.0 engine is a thing of beauty. I'm not even swinging on Ford's nuts lol but like aonther guy posted it..we all are living in a muscle car nirvana. Let's see how the 2016 Camaro responds....it's always a game of catchup. Meanwhile in the mopar camp....:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: |
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