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Demon Z/28 05-23-2013 12:02 PM

We heard the story. Multiple times. The whine fest is getting/ has gotten no where. Move on. I keep seeing this thread revived and dammit I'm ready to buy me a catch can now.

bumblebeecamaro 05-23-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolStoryBro (Post 6579649)
and dammit I'm ready to buy me a catch can now.

well don't hold your breath because there's no telling when you'll get one from them. lol

thespymaster 05-23-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SC2150 (Post 6579455)
So you fine with your intercooler clogged and the rotors n the SC thrown off balance by the deposits taking bearings out?

Below is an intercooler with only 15K miles on it with no catchcan:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...psd4d22ca8.jpg

And a ZL1 with the RX can installed at new....this is 16K miles:
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/i...or14kmiles.jpg

If your fine with that, then by all means, do not add a can.

:thumbsup:

Don't take my 1st response wrong; I'm a big fan of your products and bought the RX can from your company before I had the ZL1 delivered! :respekt:

When it was at Livernois Motorsports for Stage III build they said clearly that they DO NOT recommend ANY catch can for their type builds !

I assume they based upon my requirements for both a DD and use on the drag strip!

I will email Andy @ Livernois for validation of my comments above

ToolFan66 05-23-2013 12:08 PM

Why not just buy the Elite ride it for awhile, if the RX is that important to have, get it when it's available, sell the Elite, and be done with it.

Having something now, is better then nothing..

strych9 05-23-2013 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thespymaster (Post 6579682)
Don't take my 1st response wrong; I'm a big fan of your products and bought the RX can from your company before I had the ZL1 delivered! :respekt:

When it was at Livernois Motorsports for Stage III build they said clearly that they DO NOT recommend ANY catch can for their type builds !

I assume they based upon my requirements for both a DD and use on the drag strip!

I will email Andy @ Livernois for validation of my comments above

Why does Livernois recommend no catch can? Just curious.

Tracy, a little constructive criticism from a customer rep manager: there's a time to respond publicly, and a time to just let the issue die out on its own. It seems that when you respond, the pot just gets stirred. I don't have a dog in this fight. This is just a suggestion from an observer.

To further that, the bit above to promote catch cans is in poor taste, in this thread at least. Do what you gotta do to peddle your stuff, but keep in mind that there's a time and a place. This thread provides neither.

Good luck to all of you.

FY_Ivan 05-23-2013 12:34 PM

Agreed. I have nothing against the company or Tracy, and I'm not a fan of the OP, as he didn't facilitate Tracy's efforts to help him. Everyone can come to their own conclusions, but i would like to see this thread closed.

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Originally Posted by strych9 (Post 6579733)
Why does Livernois reccomend no catch can? Just curious.

Tracy, a little constructive criticism from a customer rep manager: there's a time to respond publicly, and a time to just let the issue die out on its own. It seems that when you respond, the pot just gets stirred. I don't have a dog in this fight. This is just a suggestion from an observer.

To further that, the bit above to promote catch cans is in poor taste, in this thread at least. Do what you gotta do to peddle your stuff, but keep in mind that there's a time and a place. This thread provides neither.

Good luck to all of you.


SC2150 05-23-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by strych9 (Post 6579733)
Why does Livernois recommend no catch can? Just curious.

Tracy, a little constructive criticism from a customer rep manager: there's a time to respond publicly, and a time to just let the issue die out on its own. It seems that when you respond, the pot just gets stirred. I don't have a dog in this fight. This is just a suggestion from an observer.

To further that, the bit above to promote catch cans is in poor taste, in this thread at least. Do what you gotta do to peddle your stuff, but keep in mind that there's a time and a place. This thread provides neither.

Good luck to all of you.

I sent them close to $1000 in products in the past to try, they refused with the comment "oil is good for the supercharger". They were kind enough to return them uninstalled. I respect so much of their abilities in builds, tunes, they have state of the art CNC machines, and one of the cleanest, nicest, biggest shops around....but do not want to discuss the issues the oil ingestion causes. Not sure why, but they are not alone. If your never taught this aspect of crankcase evacuation it is easy to not realize the damage done so I'm not sure why they choose to ignore it, but that is their choice.

The facts are this:

1. Any oil ingestion in the intake air tract will cause detonation and less energy produced per explosive event (you only want air/fuel in the combustion chamber....pour a capful of oil in a saucer and try and light it on fire....it dosent burn well if at all unless under high heat and pressure) so combined with less power and the timing pulled due to detonation that is an immediate negative.

2. The oil residue that bakes on and accumulates on the rotors causes them to be off balance (they are so finely balanced to maintain stability at the rpms they sin even a minute off balance causes vibration and shortens bearing life). There are pictures in GM's TSB's on this as well as all over the internet forums. The bearings are sealed in their own oil bath so there is nothing getting lubricated by the intake charge oil contamination....it only causes harm.

3. The intercooler, as the picture above tells the story, becomes clogged with this baked on residue/varnish from the oil ingestion so 2 things occur. The flow is restricted obstructing the flow through the intercooler as designed when new, and the coating insulates the intercooler from effectively transferring heat as well as it does if it is the bare metal as it comes new. The 15k miles in the picture above I estimate it has already lost 15% plus of its ability to transfer heat and properly cool the intake air charge. A log of IAT'2s will show just how this effects the power produced.

4. The carbon deposits on the piston tops and combustion chambers has a negative effect on the burn pattern and quench area's also resulting in a degradation of power/economy over time.

Those 4 crystal clear points alone should convince even the most unaware why you don't ever want oil contaminating the intake air charge.

Only a two stroke engine is designed to burn oil, and that oil is formulated for a clean deposit free burn.

:thumbsup:

And yes, the thread has run its course. all parties have had their say.

Ryanbabz71 05-23-2013 04:31 PM

Got shipping confirmation on mine today :)

willhe64 05-23-2013 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SC2150 (Post 6580156)
4. The carbon deposits on the piston tops and combustion chambers has a negative effect on the burn pattern and quench area's also resulting in a degradation of power/economy over time.

Plus, these deposits create hot spots on the piston tops that will cause detonation.

Why in the hell does every single top tier gas have additives in it to "reduce harmful engine deposits" you've all seen the commercials.

This catch can argument is getting silly. Tracy has shown you photographic proof as to why they are beneficial. All we get for counter arguments is "so and so told me I don't need one".

I'm not trying to sell anyone anything. But I'll sit down with any of these so called experts anytime and debate this issue, and shit all over any possible reasons they can come up with.

Your car will not explode without one. but for what it does, it is well worth the money.

bumblebeecamaro 05-23-2013 09:59 PM

Any recommendations or links where I can order the Elite can from?

Blues45th 05-24-2013 06:05 AM

Elite them selves. Awesome can and company. Had me a new lfx mount bracket shipped to me in 2 days and that without me ordering the can from them. It's there product and they stand behind it. Great experience with them.

Scott@Bjorn3D 05-24-2013 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bumblebeecamaro (Post 6582134)
Any recommendations or links where I can order the Elite can from?

Apex and Maryland Speed has them also.

Bradrulz 05-24-2013 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bumblebeecamaro (Post 6582134)
Any recommendations or links where I can order the Elite can from?

Got mine from JDP Motorsports shipped free and a great price


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