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Blu Ray 07-11-2013 10:21 PM

Z/28 MSRP ABOVE 70K
 
and only 300-400 1st year.....inside scoop

2012-1822 07-11-2013 10:25 PM

I need to hit that lottery pretty soon so I can get on the list

GEEKFREEKSCOTTY 07-11-2013 11:47 PM

Not worth it IMHO. Maybe the limited production run will help resale years later.

But unless you're a die-hard fanboy of the z28 moniker, the ZL1 is the better way to go.

LimaCharlie 07-12-2013 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GEEKFREEKSCOTTY (Post 6775241)
Not worth it IMHO. Maybe the limited production run will help resale years later.

But unless you're a die-hard fanboy of the z28 moniker, the ZL1 is the better way to go.

Disagree. The Z/28 is a pure track car from the factory that will likely beat most performance cars that cost $200,000+ on a road course.
The Z/28 is not for everyone and it sounds like you are not among the people who understand this car.

AdamZ 07-12-2013 01:17 AM

Sounds like the COPO of street tracks

CMYarb 07-12-2013 01:26 AM

Its worth it alright. The few specs I've read about so far sound wicked.

TAG UR IT 07-12-2013 01:28 AM

it'll be worth it. but it won't be your every day street drivin' car.

2010 SSRS 07-12-2013 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT (Post 6775459)
it'll be worth it. but it won't be your every day street drivin' car.

Exactly, it will be well worth it :thumbup:

ZL1 Spoked 07-12-2013 03:21 AM

Rather get a fully loaded shelby

AdamZ 07-12-2013 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ZL1 Spoked (Post 6775533)
Rather get a fully loaded shelby

OH SNAP

Scott@Bjorn3D 07-12-2013 06:02 AM

Once the ring times get posted people may change their minds.

Stealth6 07-12-2013 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamZ (Post 6775442)
Sounds like the COPO of street tracks

Sounds like the COPO of street tracks with a VIN..... and worth every ¢....

the_fast_one 07-12-2013 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by LimaCharlie (Post 6775391)
Disagree. The Z/28 is a pure track car from the factory that will likely beat most performance cars that cost $200,000+ on a road course.
The Z/28 is not for everyone and it sounds like you are not among the people who understand this car.

Just because somebody does not think it is worth 70+ k does mean they don't get it. Just isn't worth it to him . The limited run will help it maintain value but I would assume the majority of the z/28 will forever live in a garage and not on a track. Personally with dealer mark up etc I'd be looking at a lightly used zr1

daveagogo1 07-12-2013 07:27 AM

If soccer moms can shell out 70k by the boatloads for Escalades I'm pretty sure plenty of guys can and will justify / buy a Z/28.

sasquash1984 07-12-2013 07:32 AM

But can it beat a gt-r..........only $20k more

Hulkamaniac 07-12-2013 07:40 AM

It's just as GM said, "The new Z/28 will be 'Most Expensive Camaro' ever."

I assume they meant street legal terms since the COPO is over $100K.

Eich 07-12-2013 07:41 AM

It appears this car is far from the Z28 of recent years-past that everyone and their brother purchased for street driving. Unless you're serious about racing, I can't imagine dropping $70k+ on a Camaro when you can get the ZL1 or better yet, the new Stingray for less.

shaffe 07-12-2013 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth6 (Post 6775651)
Sounds like the COPO of street tracks with a VIN..... and worth every ¢....

except the COPO is legal to race in its respective class in NHRA rules, the rumor mill has been swirling that the Z/28 doesnt legally qualify for any class in SCCA and the COPO was built specifically to meet that class requirment.

after being enlightened by others here on the board, Z/28 is alot more open to other track events. Making it seem like an even better deal.

Cheveey57 07-12-2013 08:14 AM

Most people here don't appreciate a true hot rod. They want back up camaras, memory seats etc. back in the day you would order a car with radio and heater delete. The AC was an option you wouldn't want. That being said if they were making these Z28 with 2013 tail lights I would buy one in a heartbeat. Since the the prototypes came out I wanted lighter cars. I don't want all the extra crap. In fact if I could sign a waiver and get one without the bull**** airbags I would.

FINALLYSATISFIED 07-12-2013 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LimaCharlie (Post 6775391)
Disagree. The Z/28 is a pure track car from the factory that will likely beat most performance cars that cost $200,000+ on a road course.
The Z/28 is not for everyone and it sounds like you are not among the people who understand this car.

The Z/28 is NOT a pure track car. I'm a fan of GM and everything they stand for but this is simply not true.

LeanPocket 07-12-2013 08:34 AM

i guess ill be waiting for a ls7 option 1le :brokenheart:

collinsRS 07-12-2013 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED (Post 6775904)
The Z/28 is NOT a pure track car. I'm a fan of GM and everything they stand for but this is simply not true.

At the camaro owners appreciation even and lunch, the GM/Chevy reps spoke specifically about the Z28, and he stated that it's not going to be an ideal daily driver.

I remember him saying it's coming standard with NO A/C or radio, but those may be upgradable options...

MikeOD 07-12-2013 09:48 AM

The way I see the Z/28...it's an awesome car that I'm not going to pay for...and now it gives me a whole new slew of OEM parts to raid. I don't want the whole car, but I want a lot of what it will have.

Sven59 07-12-2013 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LimaCharlie (Post 6775391)
Disagree. The Z/28 is a pure track car from the factory that will likely beat most performance cars that cost $200,000+ on a road course.
The Z/28 is not for everyone and it sounds like you are not among the people who understand this car.

The ZL1 already does that, and if the Z/28 is only 3 seconds faster than the ZL1 I can make that up in HP increases.

FINALLYSATISFIED 07-12-2013 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by collinsRS (Post 6776145)
At the camaro owners appreciation even and lunch, the GM/Chevy reps spoke specifically about the Z28, and he stated that it's not going to be an ideal daily driver.

I remember him saying it's coming standard with NO A/C or radio, but those may be upgradable options...

That's been confirmed for quite sometime now.

davidcroft 07-12-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sven59 (Post 6776269)
The ZL1 already does that, and if the Z/28 is only 3 seconds faster than the ZL1 I can make that up in HP increases.

3 SECONDS ON A SHORT TRACK. :bonk:

LateBrakeU2 07-12-2013 10:04 AM

Don't kid yourself, they will sell every one, and if the production totals are indeed 3-400 there will be bidding wars. I would not be surprised to see them fetching six figures, half of them will go straight to collectors for long winters.

DuskSS 07-12-2013 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LimaCharlie (Post 6775391)
Disagree. The Z/28 is a pure track car from the factory that will likely beat most performance cars that cost $200,000+ on a road course.
The Z/28 is not for everyone and it sounds like you are not among the people who understand this car.

I think you are a little delusional myself. No way in hell will this car be able to hang with even the z06 vette and most likely will not even beat the c7 track package that can be had in the same price range.
I'm sorry I love Camaros but world class sports cars they are not.

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Sven59 07-12-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DuskSS (Post 6776355)
I think you are a little delusional myself. No way in hell will this car be able to hang with even the z06 vette and most likely will not even beat the c7 track package that can be had in the same price range.
I'm sorry I love Camaros but world class sports cars they are not.

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Really? Look at the cars around # 56. Look at #61.

53.Porsche 911 GT3 7:40.00 161'09435 / 1376Walter Rohrl
54.Mercedes SLS AMG 7:40.00 161'10571 / 1620Horst Von Saurma
55.Ford GT 7:40.60 161'04550 / 1538Markus Draper
56.Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 7:41.27 161'12588 / 1838Mark Reuss
57.Porsche 911 GT3 7:42.00 161'06415 / 1395Walter Rohrl
58.Radical SR3 7:42.00 161'02205 / 495
59.Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 7:42.00 161'09670 / 1664Horst von Saurma
60.Porsche 911 GT3 RS 7:42.00 161'06415 / 1375
61.Chevrolet Corvette Z06 7:42.90 160'05513 / 1437Jan Magnussen
62.Porsche 911 GT3 RS 7:43.00 160'03381 / 1360
63.Lamborghini Murcielago 7:43.20 160'02580 / 1800
64.Pagani Zonda C12 S 7:44.00 160'02555 / 1250
65.Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 7:44.00 160'09525 / 1620

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

HeadonaStick 07-12-2013 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by collinsRS (Post 6776145)
At the camaro owners appreciation even and lunch, the GM/Chevy reps spoke specifically about the Z28, and he stated that it's not going to be an ideal daily driver.

I remember him saying it's coming standard with NO A/C or radio, but those may be upgradable options...

Not being an ideal daily driver and being a pure track car are two different things. To be honest, the Camaro isn't an ideal daily driver for many.

The Z/28 does come with a radio.

mkorgan 07-12-2013 01:26 PM

Can I just say this....I LOVE MY ZL1. It is paid for and I can get everything I want in muscle car from it and more. I am getting ready to put some money in mods that will make the Z/28 irrelevant to me and the way I like to drive my car so if this rumor is true, I love my ZL1 even more.

DuskSS 07-12-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven59 (Post 6776469)
Really? Look at the cars around # 56. Look at #61.

53.Porsche 911 GT3 7:40.00 161'09435 / 1376Walter Rohrl
54.Mercedes SLS AMG 7:40.00 161'10571 / 1620Horst Von Saurma
55.Ford GT 7:40.60 161'04550 / 1538Markus Draper
56.Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 7:41.27 161'12588 / 1838Mark Reuss
57.Porsche 911 GT3 7:42.00 161'06415 / 1395Walter Rohrl
58.Radical SR3 7:42.00 161'02205 / 495
59.Lamborghini Murcielago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce 7:42.00 161'09670 / 1664Horst von Saurma
60.Porsche 911 GT3 RS 7:42.00 161'06415 / 1375
61.Chevrolet Corvette Z06 7:42.90 160'05513 / 1437Jan Magnussen
62.Porsche 911 GT3 RS 7:43.00 160'03381 / 1360
63.Lamborghini Murcielago 7:43.20 160'02580 / 1800
64.Pagani Zonda C12 S 7:44.00 160'02555 / 1250
65.Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 7:44.00 160'09525 / 1620

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

And that means exactly... Squat.
2 different drivers and that is a very old z06 2005 model.

Put the same driver in both with same year car and that vette will trounce that heavy camaro.

I'm sorry stock for stock you can't compare the 2.
One is a street brawler and the other a sports car made for the higher speeds and better handing.

Sure you shove enough aftermarket crap in anything it can be fast.. but it's going to cost you.

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Sven59 07-12-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DuskSS (Post 6777248)
And that means exactly... Squat.
2 different drivers and that is a very old z06 2005 model.

Put the same driver in both with same year car and that vette will trounce that heavy camaro.

I'm sorry stock for stock you can't compare the 2.
One is a street brawler and the other a sports car made for the higher speeds and better handing.

Sure you shove enough aftermarket crap in anything it can be fast.. but it's going to cost you.

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I'm sorry I love Camaros but world class sports cars they are not.

Really, look at the list of cars right around the stock ZL1 and tell me if they are not world class sports cars? Many of those cars approach $200,000 and the ZL1 at about $60,000 competed and beat many of them.


Here are some other times to compare and the ZL1 is right up there with some of the Vette's.

http://www.autorooster.com/0-60-time...olet/corvette/

http://www.autorooster.com/0-60-times/chevrolet/camaro/

And here is a 12 Vette it beat by 28 seconds.

163.Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Coupe8:13.10 150'12436 / 1505

tramtwo 07-12-2013 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu Ray (Post 6774968)
and only 300-400 1st year.....inside scoop

production sounds a bit high to me...


Quote:

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT (Post 6775459)
it'll be worth it. but it won't be your every day street drivin' car.

unless your name is pete

Bhobbs 07-12-2013 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven59 (Post 6776269)
The ZL1 already does that, and if the Z/28 is only 3 seconds faster than the ZL1 I can make that up in HP increases.

A prototype Z/28 was 3 seconds faster than a ZL1 around a short track.

ShnOmac 07-12-2013 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu Ray (Post 6774968)
and only 300-400 1st year.....inside scoop

Source?

tramtwo 07-12-2013 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShnOmac (Post 6777402)
Source?

I knew you'd show up.... :smoking:

ShnOmac 07-12-2013 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tramtwo (Post 6777430)
I knew you'd show up.... :smoking:


:lol:

mkorgan 07-12-2013 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuskSS (Post 6777248)
And that means exactly... Squat.
2 different drivers and that is a very old z06 2005 model.

Put the same driver in both with same year car and that vette will trounce that heavy camaro.

I'm sorry stock for stock you can't compare the 2.
One is a street brawler and the other a sports car made for the higher speeds and better handing.

Sure you shove enough aftermarket crap in anything it can be fast.. but it's going to cost you.

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As a ZL1 owner and as one who is extremely interested in the Z/28 I think that depends on your definition of "Word Class Sportscar". If you definition is solely on performance, there is no sane argument that the ZL1 should be excluded from the conversation. It performs as well as or even better than many Italian or German sportscars.

If your definition includes things like fit and finish like Italian leather, etc..etc, the expense of purchasing, the expense of maintaining, the club you are now welcome in, the place they park your car outside the restaurant, the girls that you can get to ride in the car with you, and the arrogance you are not entitle to since your name is on the title....then you are absolutely right...the ZL1 is not in the conversation.

I choose the first definition as it is the only definition that removes subjectivity, opinion, and personal preference. Definition one is measurable and when those measurements are compared...the ZL1 is pretty damn good and should be in the conversation.

Cody6.2 07-12-2013 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkorgan (Post 6777498)
As a ZL1 owner and as one who is extremely interested in the Z/28 I think that depends on your definition of "Word Class Sportscar". If you definition is solely on performance, there is no sane argument that the ZL1 should be excluded from the conversation. It performs as well as or even better than many Italian or German sportscars.

If your definition includes things like fit and finish like Italian leather, etc..etc, the expense of purchasing, the expense of maintaining, the club you are now welcome in, the place they park your car outside the restaurant, the girls that you can get to ride in the car with you, and the arrogance you are not entitle to since your name is on the title....then you are absolutely right...the ZL1 is not in the conversation.

I choose the first definition as it is the only definition that removes subjectivity, opinion, and personal preference. Definition one is measurable and when those measurements are compared...the ZL1 is pretty damn good and should be in the conversation.

I think by any measure the ZL1 is far from a World Class Sports car. It was built off of an existing platform in which they made good things great. But again it is by no means "World Class" especially running 12's.


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