1LE Suspension Package Part Numbers
Thanks to MS3DALE, I was able to get a hold of the FE6 parts numbers from the 1LE. I know some of you are eager to get your hands on them so I'm going to share. :) I also marked each one to show what packages also use those parts so no one orders something they already have!
Strut Tower Brace (LT, SS, 1LE) - 22756880 Front Wheel Hubs (ZL1, 1LE) (2) - 22924741 Rear Wheel Hubs (ZL1, 1LE) (2) - 22924740 Front Coil Spring (SS, 1LE) (2) - 92245257 Front Strut (1LE) (passenger side) - 22812984 Front Strut (1LE) (drivers side) - 22812985 Front Sway Bar (1LE) - 22812946 Front Sway End Link (SS, ZL1, 1LE) (passenger side) - 22842515 Front Sway End Link (SS, ZL1, 1LE) (drivers side) - 22842516 Rear Shock Mount (1LE) (passenger side upper) - 22922446 Rear Shock Mount (1LE) (driver side upper) - 22922445 Rear Coil Spring (SS, 1LE) (2) - 92195466 Rear Shocks (1LE) (2) - 22812987 Rear Sway Bar (ZL1, 1LE) - 22786260 Rear Sway Bar Endlink (SS, ZL1, 1LE) (2) - 22761221 Rear Lower Control Arm (SS, ZL1, 1LE) (2) - 20942237 (Needed for 2010-2011 cars for sway bar conversion) Rear Toe Link (ZL1, 1LE) (2) - 22845487 |
The rear swarbar, and toe link part numbers are the same as the ZL1 part numbers in the previous part number thread... The front sway bar number is different though.
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So ARE the front sway bar and end link numbers for the 1LE? |
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Any chance for a complete 1LE diff part number yet? |
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How about springs? Are they the same as ZL1?
ZL1 Front Spring - 20954688 ZL1 Rear Spring - 20942619 |
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prices from GMpartsgiant.com;
Strut Tower Brace (LT, SS, 1LE) - 22756880 $117.59 Wheel Hubs (ZL1, 1LE) (4) - 25954415 $244.65 ea Front Strut (1LE) (passenger side) -22812984 $81.82 Front Strut (1LE) (drivers side) - 22812985 $81.82 Front Sway Bar (1LE) - 22812946 $110.88 Front Sway End Link (SS, ZL1, 1LE) (passenger side) - 22842515 $31.18 Front Sway End Link (SS, ZL1, 1LE) (drivers side) - 22842516 $31.18 Rear Shock Mount (1LE) (passenger side upper) - 22922446 $34.57 Rear Shock Mount (1LE) (driver side upper) - 22922445 $34.57 Rear Shocks (1LE) (2) - 22812987 $215.19 ea Rear Sway Bar (ZL1, 1LE) - 22786260 $113.88 Rear Sway Bar Endlink (SS, ZL1, 1LE) (2) - 22761221 $16.46 ea Rear Lower Control Arm (SS, ZL1, 1LE) (2) - 20942237 (Needed for 2010-2011 car conversion) $37.42 Rear Toe Link (ZL1, 1LE) (2) - 22845487 $67.94 ea rear shocks and hubs are pricey!! curious about the Rear Shock mount pricing? |
You are right. They never mentioned about springs being different. I don't know what I was thinking. I guess I assumed springs are different because of dampers are different and ZL1 shock mounts lead me to think of ZL1 springs. Now that I thought about it, ZL1 shock mounts are needed for mono-tube rear dampers as they are longer compare to twin-tube in SS so they have to be mounted higher like ZL1. I am a little disappointed since I was hoping for lower ride height and higher rate of ZL1 springs but thanks for clearing it up.
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I want to lower mine as well. Too much wheel gap IMO. You'd have THOUGHT it would be a LITTLE lower than a stock SS
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cool, since i already have SS springs, i can add the 1LE struts and be golden!!!
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I don't know about Mustangs so I am not going to comment on them but I will say something about aftermarket lowering springs. It is MY OPINION that most lower the car's handling capacity. Lowering springs have too little travel, too low of spring rate, and factory dampers cannot control them well. It is basically a cosmestics modification at the expense of handling. I am not saying you cannot lower your car with higher rate springs. All I am saying is that you gotta match those springs to proper dampers. Pedders supercar coilovers have 8kg/mm springs up front. This is twice the factory spring rate but it rides and handles very well. Compare that H&R super sport lowering springs that has very close to factory rates and you'll quickly see the importance of matching springs to dampers. |
Prices are cheaper than I thought they would be. Thanks for posting this info.
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So it appears that the 1LE is following the "big bar/soft spring" approach relative to the SS by increasing only the bar stiffnesses. Even BB/SS tweaking affects the strut/shock valving, which we don't know anything about anyway.
Sleepy - most of the Mustang lowering springs range between about 25% and 75% stiffer than OE, and that's probably true generally. For the amounts typically lowered, that's not enough stiffer to hold the frequency of bump stop contact down to OE levels. But it is too much stiffer than OE for the OE dampers to properly control for best grip. What stiffer springs with OE damping does do is move the level of "critical damping" down toward "best ride", which may explain why there aren't very many complaints about lowering not fixed by trimming the bump stops. Geometrically, lowering springs give something up that effectively "steals" part of the benefit that the increased rate is supposed to be providing, assuming that what you're primarily after with your new springs in the first place is more spring rate. Wanna bet that most purchasers of "lowering springs" don't think past the amount lowered? Norm |
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Performance springs - I like that better, but it's probably a case of shovelling sand against the tide at this point.
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As an example, it is entirely possible with some suspension arrangements for the anti-squat % to drop slightly over the first inch of rear suspension compression (squat), before turning around and increasing with still further squat. Even stranger curve shapes are possible, but at least the odd variations in the middle are relatively minor. Norm |
One rather important consideration I left out ↑↑↑ is camber gain. With a strut suspension, the lower you go without getting into correcting the geometry, the slower your camber goes negative to compensate for roll as the suspension is compressed still further (consider what the outside suspensions are doing while cornering). With struts up front and either a multi-link IRS or just about any stick axle suspension arrangement, this becomes an understeer effect.
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gM is a big fan of soft springs and big bars they always have been.
Someone at GM is apparently unaware that the bigger the bar, the less "independent" the suspension becomes and ride quality can go to crap just like it does with stiff springs. |
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Nice cant wait to see what it will take to fit the rear dampers on my 2010 SS.
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Up front, anti-dive is normally present for various reasons, and this forces some of the forward load transfer to go through the front suspension linkage directly. This fraction of the forward LT does not cause or contribute to nose dive, and happens almost instantaneously (does not have to wait for springs to compress or damper pistons to reach some velocity). The flip side is "anti-rise" - anti-dive's sometimes evil twin - and when the force at the contact patch is for acceleration rather than braking, some portion of the vertical tire loading is yanked away without the suspension being allowed to extend to fully compensate. This obviously lowers the total amount of front grip available, and then you're going ahead to use some of what's left for longitudinal acceleration so lateral grip suffers . . . you'd then expect that by removing some of the anti-dive you'd reduce the power-on understeer by the difference in the geometric effect. FWIW, the same sort of thing goes on at the rear axle, with anti-squat having its evil twin in anti-lift. Most people who have autocrossed certain years of LS-powered 4th Gens know more about brake hop than they probably cared to, and anti-lift is part of that. You still have both of these anti's with your IRS, but it's unlikely that a 5th Gen is going to get into brake hop. *** You'll find some "not-so-simple" suspensions, where the anti effects can be separated and more or less tuned separately. Mostly you'll see this in places like dirt track racing, although Unbalanced Engineering at least used to offer a "decoupled torque arm" for the 4th gen cars. There is some cost in both mechanical and setup complexity, and there may be other compromises as well. Mark Ortiz sends out a free "Chassis Newsletter" on roughly a monthly basis that covers topics such as this. Norm |
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