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Originally Posted by DRKS1D3 (Post 9217222)

The LT4 is the supercharged version in the new Z06, but I get what you're saying. The LT1 is in the Stingrays and the new Camaro SS's. Eh, they're still tried and true, push-rod GM V8's. They'll do fine.

Whoops, my bad. :)

I really feel as though GM is pricing themselves out of a larger demographic. Maybe not out of the market itself but definitely a larger sales demographic. The largest buyers of the Gen5 camaro with its 69' styling roots were in fact Baby Boomers. As studies have shown the baby boomers own the middle class. With the initial 5thGen camaro ss being a $35k-$40k car, that price range is right in the zone of what the middle class spends on a vehicle.
With GM pushing the camaro ss into the $45K-$50k range it priced a lot of current owners and potential owners right out of the SS. And if a current 5thgen owner has an SS they bought for $40k, they aren't going to trade it in on a 6thgen 1LT V6 for $35k (yes thats the cost of one I priced out with no tech upgrades).

The first time I checked out the 6th Gen was on a V6 model. Window sticker was over 40K. I know, I know, the car had a lot of tech and options, but a V6, sorry you can keep that. When I ordered my car, I just paid a couple of thousand more for my car. I have Recaro's, NPP, sunroof, and 2SS with the 1LE option.

If something happened to my car today, I'm not 100% sure that I would get a 6th gen. Another 5th Gen 1LE, strong possibly!

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Originally Posted by Sanjay Collins (Post 9217346)

Well, the dealership prices are different though. They have 1LT V6s and 2.0s here for $23k-$24k.

Washington ST must be different than the rest of the country. Here all the SS are $45k+ and the v6 are $30k+. Haven't seen an SS under $42k yet

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Originally Posted by vikingrinn (Post 9216911)

ok, i'll bite.

fans/owners/producers of the 6th gen are going to perhaps be a little defensive in their responses, understandably, but there are some objective truths playing out since the core markets initial reaction to the 6th gen unveiling:

1.) the 5th gen... 'updates' in '14/'15 were in the wrong styling direction...
2.) this... 'global' look continued further with the redesign of the 6th gen...
3.) product performance is evolutionary, but it's pricing is getting ridiculous...

Sorry, but 1 & 3 are subjective, not objective.

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Originally Posted by Egon (Post 9217190)

I don't think GM is concerned one bit and here is why.

"DETROIT (AP) -- General Motors' second-quarter profit more than doubled to a post-bankruptcy record $2.87 billion on a strong performance in the U.S., where the company saw sales fall after it cut low-profit sales to rental car companies. It raised its earnings guidance for the year."

Full article here http://finance.yahoo.com/news/genera...113133995.html

GM has been focusing on making a profit from every sale over the past few years even if that means allowing market share to slip and it is paying off on their bottom line as seen by the headline above. The number of vehicles sold is not as important as selling each one at a profit. Because the Camaro is on the shared Alpha platform it is spreading the development cost over more than one vehicle line, and as a result I would bet that Ford has to sell 2 to 3 Mustangs to make as much profit as the sale of one Camaro. (just a wild ass guess from someone that doesn't know jack)

Sales 101: Market share is the top priority.
It's not to say that profit isn't important, but GM is definitely looking at volume. In the larger scheme of things, they're doing well, but they absolutely analyze under performing products & determine the best next step.

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Originally Posted by Ragnar (Post 9217350)

If something happened to my car (Lord forbid), I'd consider a 2017 Mustang GT.

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Originally Posted by Sanjay Collins (Post 9217390)

It is. That's why I'm able to buy new cars whenever I want. Lol. Here's a 1LT 2.0, 1LT V6 and 1SS where I bought my Camaro and Cruze from.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...589a97da23.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...039cb7ab19.jpg
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...48b21aef60.jpg

Just looked on my local dealers site. An almost identical match to the one you posted. 2017 1LT 2.0 Turbo Camaro $29,145

http://www.hoselton.com/new/Chevrole...00695c9aaa.htm

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Originally Posted by Stormcloak (Post 9217317)

Whoops, my bad. :)

Sorry for hijacking.
Is that you coming out of turn 11 down the front straight at the Glen? The pic in your sig I mean?

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Originally Posted by Sanjay Collins (Post 9217410)

Maybe because these are 2016 models?

I feel certain, with (lack of) sales being what they are on 2016 models, we'll see 20% discounts at the end of the year again.

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Originally Posted by arkentect (Post 9217407)

Just looked on my local dealers site. An almost identical match to the one you posted. 2017 1LT 2.0 Turbo Camaro $29,145

http://www.hoselton.com/new/Chevrole...00695c9aaa.htm

There is no such thing as a 2017 Camaro, the dealer is a fraud.

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Originally Posted by Snoman (Post 9217472)

There is no such thing as a 2017 Camaro, the dealer is a fraud.

Huh? Production started 06/06/16.