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tom692010 12-03-2009 07:29 PM

Any real data
 
Ok I'm looking to install one of the tuners advertised out there. What I would like to know does any of the guys/gals that have downloaded a hand held...Predator...... do you have any clear evidence other than feel that it improved your performance.
I'm wanting to install one.I have 385 rwhp from a Hennessy CAI and QTP cutouts. Will I get hp/torque Gain with just those 2 mods.
So if anyone has limited mods and a handheld tuner with data please reply.I don't want to waste money again!

Steve@Vectormotorsports 12-03-2009 09:35 PM

With our Powerflash cable we see gains ranging typically in the 15-20 rwhp from tuning. Do you have numbers from when it was stock?

JANNETTYRACING 12-03-2009 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tom692010 (Post 1244470)
Ok I'm looking to install one of the tuners advertised out there. What I would like to know does any of the guys/gals that have downloaded a hand held...Predator...... do you have any clear evidence other than feel that it improved your performance.
I'm wanting to install one.I have 385 rwhp from a Hennessy CAI and QTP cutouts. Will I get hp/torque Gain with just those 2 mods.
So if anyone has limited mods and a handheld tuner with data please reply.I don't want to waste money again!

Those are Strong numbers for your mods.

On the Dyno 5-10 HP from where you are now, seat of the pants feels like 25+ because of torque management reduction.

The Predator or Trinity opens the door for custom tuning also, Plus all the other fun features.

If you have any questions give me a call and I will be happy to talk with you.

Ted.

tom692010 12-03-2009 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve@Vectormotorsports (Post 1245049)
With our Powerflash cable we see gains ranging typically in the 15-20 rwhp from tuning. Do you have numbers from when it was stock?

363 rwhp stock,379 after CAI and 385 with cutouts installed.

tom692010 12-03-2009 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 1245586)
Those are Strong numbers for your mods.

On the Dyno 5-10 HP from where you are now, seat of the pants feels like 25+ because of torque management reduction.

The Predator or Trinity opens the door for custom tuning also, Plus all the other fun features.

If you have any questions give me a call and I will be happy to talk with you.

Ted.

I might be wrong here but doesn't torque management only apply to the automatics? Mine is a manual

JANNETTYRACING 12-04-2009 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by tom692010 (Post 1245696)
I might be wrong here but doesn't torque management only apply to the automatics? Mine is a manual

NOPE, your limited to 280 lb torque till after 3000 RPM in all gears.

soonerfanru2 12-04-2009 11:26 AM

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Ted I thought the Diablo tinity could not limit the tourqe managemnt?

06MonteSS 12-04-2009 11:41 AM

it disables the torque management on the engine side of the tune...

there is no TCM support yet, so it can not access the tranny parameters yet...

tom692010 12-04-2009 11:55 AM

meaning
 
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Originally Posted by 06MonteSS (Post 1246916)
it disables the torque management on the engine side of the tune...

there is no TCM support yet, so it can not access the tranny parameters yet...

In laymans term,what does this mean?

aj2ssrs 12-04-2009 12:43 PM

Ted, you're saying that the stock tune limits the torque to 280 lbs at and below 3000 rpm. Without any other mods other than the trinity canned tune, which disables tm, how much extra torque is gained at 3000 rpm on the manual trans as opposed to the stock tune?

06MonteSS 12-04-2009 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tom692010 (Post 1246961)
In laymans term,what does this mean?

it means that torque management from the engine is disabled...

but not in the tranny... since there is no tcm support yet, it can not communicate with the transmission controller, so there is still some torque management being applied within the transmission.

once the TCM support is completed, then you will be able to access the transmission settings and would be able to disable/reduce the transmission's torque management as well.

JANNETTYRACING 12-04-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by aj2ssrs (Post 1247181)
Ted, you're saying that the stock tune limits the torque to 280 lbs at and below 3000 rpm. Without any other mods other than the trinity canned tune, which disables tm, how much extra torque is gained at 3000 rpm on the manual trans as opposed to the stock tune?

As much as is availible based on Mods.

In other words, if the engine can produce 350 ft. lb. at 3000 then 70 more will be available with torque management turned off.

Ted.

aj2ssrs 12-04-2009 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 1247432)
As much as is availible based on Mods.

In other words, if the engine can produce 350 ft. lb. at 3000 then 70 more will be available with torque management turned off.

Ted.

I understand what you are saying that with mods and a stock tune, you are limited to 280 lbs torque. What I'm asking is by turning off torque management on a totally stock ls3 freeing up any torque that tm is limiting. For example if a stock ls3 is making 290 lbs torque but tm is limiting it to 280, just tuning out tm frees up 10 lbs torque. (Just pulling numbers out of the air for an example) Thanks for the info. I've been wrenching cars for 34 years, mostly when I was younger, but this is all new to me. Didn't have to worry about computer controlled cars back then.

ssmike 12-04-2009 08:51 PM

So, that explains why I can really feel the car take off like a bullet once it hits over 3000 rpm, but it seems rather anemic under 3k. Even with mods like CAI, shorty headers and cat backs the low end still kind of sucks, but I really feel the difference after 3k!

JANNETTYRACING 12-05-2009 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ssmike (Post 1249243)
So, that explains why I can really feel the car take off like a bullet once it hits over 3000 rpm, but it seems rather anemic under 3k. Even with mods like CAI, shorty headers and cat backs the low end still kind of sucks, but I really feel the difference after 3k!

You Got it :w00t:

Merc 12-05-2009 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve@Vectormotorsports (Post 1245049)
With our Powerflash cable we see gains ranging typically in the 15-20 rwhp from tuning. Do you have numbers from when it was stock?

What about the factors for air between the stock pulls and next trip to dyno with the mods.:iono:

ssmike 12-06-2009 05:33 PM

Hey Ted, do you have any stock dyno pulls that you can post that shows the torque being held at 280 under 3K? Thanks!

JANNETTYRACING 12-07-2009 08:21 AM

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Hey Ted, do you have any stock dyno pulls that you can post that shows the torque being held at 280 under 3K? Thanks!

Yes Here you go.

ssmike 12-07-2009 08:26 AM

Wow! That's a pretty obvious torque restriction below 3200! This was from an LS3 correct?

2010 SSRS 12-07-2009 08:31 AM

I will be getting some kind of tuner after the winter, just not sure yet, I will research all winter.

JANNETTYRACING 12-07-2009 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 2010 SSRS (Post 1256149)
I will be getting some kind of tuner after the winter, just not sure yet, I will research all winter.

The Lowest cost most featured I can send you is the Predator, PM me for Pricing.

It has user tuning ability and can accept Custom Tunes, Makes a nice Christmas Present to Self.

aj2ssrs 12-07-2009 09:09 AM

According to the graph, it looks like tm is kicking in at around 2500 rpm and holding until 3000. Approximately 20 lbs torque is being freed up from a tune alone in this rpm range. Correct me if I'm reading it wrong. This was the info I was looking for, I guess I just didn't ask the right question. Thanks Ted.

JANNETTYRACING 12-07-2009 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by aj2ssrs (Post 1256201)
According to the graph, it looks like tm is kicking in at around 2500 rpm and holding until 3000. Approximately 20 lbs torque is being freed up from a tune alone in this rpm range. Correct me if I'm reading it wrong. This was the info I was looking for, I guess I just didn't ask the right question. Thanks Ted.

TM is a Linear graph, starts out at 85 ft lb.


Labels 500 600 700 800 900 1200 1500 2000 3000
Max Torque 84.8 88.5 103.3 110.6 125.4 147.5 184.4 243.4 280.3

pnyklr 12-07-2009 09:55 AM

And what is GM's logic on the throttling TQ until 3000 RPM's? Breaking parts?

-Funk

Steve@Vectormotorsports 12-07-2009 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 1256291)
TM is a Linear graph, starts out at 85 ft lb.


Labels 500 600 700 800 900 1200 1500 2000 3000
Max Torque 84.8 88.5 103.3 110.6 125.4 147.5 184.4 243.4 280.3

Can you over lay a stock graph vs. your tuned graph so we can see the gains? I just see one graph there so we don't get to see much.

Edrock 12-07-2009 10:02 AM

So with a tuner and the tunes that reduce the torque limitations at certain RPMs, what does this do to the StableTrack, Traction Control, Launch Control systems, i.e., the button in front of the gear shift? Is that button now disabled or do those systems still work normally as always? We're just talking about setting the computer to allow more torque during a given RPM range but if the rear wheels break loose, the computer will still reduce torque in order to maintain traction when those systems are engaged right? :iono:

Steve@Vectormotorsports 12-07-2009 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mercuryman96 (Post 1250842)
What about the factors for air between the stock pulls and next trip to dyno with the mods.:iono:

All pulls are done with a stock car, unstrapped then modded, then re-dynoed. The Dyno also has a weather calibration that is instantly updated.

JANNETTYRACING 12-07-2009 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve@Vectormotorsports (Post 1256354)
Can you over lay a stock graph vs. your tuned graph so we can see the gains? I just see one graph there so we don't get to see much.

Here is one with the torque management turned off.

2SSRS@Gen5diy 12-07-2009 11:59 AM

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Hi i think that some of us have cars that don't know how to read the torque management reduction file. See this NO TUNE on a M6 car i have 5 more dyno pulls with the same info.

JANNETTYRACING 12-07-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS (Post 1256857)
Hi i think that some of us have cars that don't know how to read the torque management reduction file. See this NO TUNE on a M6 car i have 5 more dyno pulls with the same info.

Dyno Operator may have had it in competition mode.

2SSRS@Gen5diy 12-07-2009 12:30 PM

Maybe he did i will ask but i don't know that for a fact, He is on this forum i will ask him to get in this thread.

ssmike 12-07-2009 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 1256683)
Here is one with the torque management turned off.

Nice! that's 40 ft/lbs at 1800 rpm gained with the tune! This is making me lean more & more towards a tune! I'll let you know when I'm ready, sometime over the winter. Thanks Ted! I just need to decide between the Predator and Vector tune. You guys please help me decide!

Mike@DS 12-07-2009 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ssmike (Post 1257811)
Nice! that's 40 ft/lbs at 1800 rpm gained with the tune! This is making me lean more & more towards a tune! I'll let you know when I'm ready, sometime over the winter. Thanks Ted! I just need to decide between the Predator and Vector tune. You guys please help me decide!

I think Ted (and I) will tell you the Predator or Trinity is the way to go for sure!

Steve@Vectormotorsports 12-09-2009 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike@Diablosport (Post 1257892)
I think Ted (and I) will tell you the Predator or Trinity is the way to go for sure!

We would be happy to do a side by side Comparison :D

JANNETTYRACING 12-09-2009 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve@Vectormotorsports (Post 1264568)
We would be happy to do a side by side Comparison :D

Software is only as good as the tuner, I can use any software to tune the same computer and have same results.

I am sure your Software is Great but your the only one that can use it.

In this case It has more to do with End user Functionality, Features, Ease of use, and Nationwide CMR Dealer Support.

Ted.

BackinBlackSS/RS 12-09-2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 1264731)
In this case It has more to do with End user Functionality, Features, Ease of use, and Nationwide CMR Dealer Support.

Ted.

Bingo!

JANNETTYRACING 12-09-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS (Post 1264745)
Bingo!

I'll take 1 choclate chip cookie and a cup of coffee :sm0:

Steve@Vectormotorsports 12-09-2009 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 1264731)
Software is only as good as the tuner, I can use any software to tune the same computer and have same results.
Ted.


What about L99 trans support?

Not all softwares are created equal, And we have tuned well over 500 A6's.

So I respectfully disagree with you Mr. Jannetty

JANNETTYRACING 12-09-2009 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve@Vectormotorsports (Post 1264804)
What about L99 trans support?

Not all softwares are created equal, And we have tuned well over 500 A6's.

So I respectfully disagree with you Mr. Jannetty

No disrespect meant.

Send me a copy of your tuning software and I will evaluate it, I would be happy to work with you.

Steve@Vectormotorsports 12-09-2009 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 1264731)
I am sure your Software is Great but your the only one that can use it.

Correct. We make all of the calibration changes, this is my job. Why should someone buy a tune, then have to make changes to it? It should be done right with no hassle to the end user. Our software does come with a data logger and has the very same logging ability as your product, if not more enhanced.

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 1264731)
In this case It has more to do with End user Functionality, Features, Ease of use, and Nationwide CMR Dealer Support.


Does your nation wide support come with the tuners cell phone number? or can they only call during bussiness hours?


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