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Originally Posted by davidcroft (Post 5951980)

to quote OldSchoolCamaro from another thread

"...well, in my humble opinion all I can say is that the LS1 was a game changer for the Camaro and it rocked solid and beat the Pony solidly until the demise of the F body did it not? I know it did because I owned one and it was a stout performer and walked a Mustang. The Mustang evolved continuosly while we went on hiatus. The funny thing is that they tried and failed with IRS. Funny thing for us is we sat, watched, and waited <hoped and prayed actually> that the Camaro would come back. Fast forward. We are a generation ahead on major structural platform and suspension engineering and they lead in motor output. And the really, really hard part to the equation is a body and chasis that transfers energy to the pavement efficiently without instability...and that is where GM rules. So, in large, at this point, we are well ahead of the competition, except for that all important HP equals coin factor. "

We are ahead of the Mustang...structurally and putting power to the ground. Ford has stretched the Modular motors to it's absolute peak displacement with the 5.8L. I honestly don't hear anything coming from their development team regarding DI V-8s. They keep trying to sell everyone on eco-boost.Hey everybody...hop on the eco-boost wagon...it'll be fun, we promise.

Their turbos in the trucks are sh*tting themselves just out of powertrain warranty!:bellyroll:

The bang for the buck factor is what made the 4th gens legendary....despite their many gremlins. That is why IMO its discouraging to hear that the 5th gens are behind the mustangs in acceleration; Don't count out the mustang in the handling as well....they're not shabby.

I agree that, technology wise, the camaro (and the ls motors) are ahead of its competition, but the combination of weight and deficit of power (zl1) masks that advantage in when compared with ford.

I just don't see how an ls7 (by itself in its existing tune) will put the current camaro ahead, or in striking range, of the GT500; Now....being the nostalgia bug that I am....a 427 big block.....I'd forgive the weight issue with the camaro if that miracle happens!

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Originally Posted by lbls1 (Post 5952465)

a 427 camaro wouldn't be competition for the gt500. it would more be competetive against the top n\a mustang.

The LS7 would IMO bump the camaro ss up to beat the boss and the gt mustangs.............both of which beat the 426hp ss...........when looking at a 1/4 mile performance nothing is going to touch the gt500 in this gen camaro..........i think its too late in the current generation for a zl1 hp boost to 650 and carbon fibre or other some such weight reduction package?.........that might do it but the cost would blow the deal

^^I really don't know what to make of an ls7 camaro at this point. I want to be happy, but the street is hot with competition at this moment.

I just think it is another option. Kind of like the laguna Secca boss 302. not for everyone but a very solid perfromer.

espectially for people who like N/A cars.

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Originally Posted by big hammer (Post 5952661)

a 427 camaro wouldn't be competition for the gt500. it would more be competetive against the top n\a mustang.

...On a race track, it'd do better because of less weight on the front end and more manageable power delivery, and Mag Ride. Less power and better balance from the car. I'd like to see them compared, if the General decides to do it.

Just my opinion. Merry Christmas! :)

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Originally Posted by mkorgan (Post 5949611)

So I am relatively new here and I hope I don't make any enemies with this but I got to say something here.

I love my ZL1. I have owned 16 Camaro's (at least two of every generation) and I for one could not care less about what Ford does with the Mustang. I want Chevy to make the best Camaro (within the limits of the EPA, etc.) regardless of what Ford does with the Mustang.

In my mind, the ZL1 is the best Camaro ever made and I am proud to drive it. When I go to car shows, not once has anyone come to me and said, "if it just had more power". They love the lines. They love the interior. They love the total package. That's is what the ZL1 is, the total package.

What Camaro may lose to Mustang in raw HP, it more than makes up for in total drivability AND overall (not just straight line) performance. If the next Camaro improves upon the current Camaro, GREAT...I am all for it. But I do not measure what I have against what someone else has. Never have, never will.

For those who own a ZL1, you could have bought a GT500. If what you want is what Mustang delivers, then you should have bought a Mustang. As for me, I am thrilled to see my ZL in the garage and am more than happy to pull up next to a GT500 owner (who I am sure is just as proud of their car) and tip my hat and wish them a good day without wishing I could keep up with them until the next traffic signal.

Merry Christmas. If you are able to own a ZL1, SS, LE1....you are blessed and need to remember that. Don't lose the joy of what you have waiting for something that might never come.

We are very pleased to hear that you absolutely love your ZL1. What is the most exciting feature to you?

Brandon
Chevrolet Customer Service

Why I love my ZL1 - Just the way it is...

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Originally Posted by Chevrolet Customer Svc (Post 5957397)

We are very pleased to hear that you absolutely love your ZL1. What is the most exciting feature to you?

Brandon
Chevrolet Customer Service

That's like asking which Victoria Secret model do I think is the hottest :laugh:. I love the balance of the car. Power matched with control of that power. MRC makes onramp and off ramp' to/from the freeway a blast and Launch Control make traffic lights a lot of fun. I have a 69 Camaro that run's high 9's and I sold my Lotus Exige last year that handled like is was on rails. The ZL1 is my favorite to drive because while it is not as fast as my 69 in a straight line between lights nor is it as glued to the ground as my Lotus was, it combines the best of both of the cars in a car with a back seat when I need to pick of the kids from school and has a ton of upside if I decide to go a little crazy with it in the future.

The only thing I think I would have changed is the weight. But I am not even sure about that because heavy cars tend to ride smoother. My Lotus was light (about 2600lbs) but it was not comfortable to drive over long distance and did not provide nearly as smooth a ride as the ZL1.

And finally, I have driven just about every American made performance car on the market and many European cars as well. I can confidently say that the ZL1 is the first World Class performance Camaro ever made IMO. The Vette has been there for the last two generations in my mind and this is the first generation that I would include Camaro as well.

Just some random thoughts.