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JANNETTYRACING 10-20-2009 10:10 AM

Jannetty Racing Cold Air Intake Independent Testing Results
 
As reported from Homepage.

A couple things to note here before I post the results.

Thanks to all the Vendors that Stepped Up.
Thanks to my Crew for making this happen.
Thanks to Don Bigdog for lending us his car and his family for helping out.

During the Testing we burned a 1/2 tank of fuel and put 100 miles on the Odometer and tested 8 kits, that is an average of 12.5 miles per kit.

This car was 100% stock, with 900 miles on the clock.

Modified cars will see larger gains, i.e. larger cams ported heads, superchargers headers etc, the more the mods the more the gain.

All Testing was done with HOOD CLOSED, open hood results would be much different, but we don't drive around with the hood open.

One thing to pay attention to is IAT Sampled at 4 points and increase during the pull, these are however CAI systems and must do just that for maximum benefit.

Hopefully Vendors won't be upset by the results, but instead, take this as an opportunity to further improve they're products.

The ones I talked to so far have been receptive to my findings which is Impressive.

I have a lot to offer manufacturers since I have spent more than 28 years taking parts out of boxes and making them fit better and work better than they were originally designed.

Here are the results, Lets Please keep this RESPECTFUL, ask questions don't make assumptions, and Definately NO BASHING!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Crowley 10-20-2009 10:16 AM

Look forward to checking out the results once I am home. I can't get to the spreadsheet from work.

Thanks,
Crowley

1BadaSS 10-20-2009 10:19 AM

Wow, good job Ted!

KMSRS2SS 10-20-2009 10:20 AM

Thanks for going above and beyond, these results are interesting to say the least!

Iwantone2 10-20-2009 10:20 AM

Awesome work, Ted!!! Thank you for taking the time to do the testing and for posting the results. It looks like CAI and Fastlane had the highest gains. Awesome job guys!!!

Wileytrigger21 10-20-2009 10:20 AM

KUDOS AND PROPS to the team at Jannetty Racing for bringing us this information!!!! :thumbup::thumbsup:

Very Interesting Results!!!


:respekt:

thecamaroguy 10-20-2009 10:21 AM

Thank you for taking the time to do this...

These numbers look great.

Scott@Bjorn3D 10-20-2009 10:22 AM

So Ted, does Great beat excellent for the CAI one?

Croathlete 10-20-2009 10:22 AM

Great analysis Ted! Very interesting results. Looks like the CAI's with the greatest gains really need a tune.

Question about the New Era. What about it made it have poor driveability? It seems like it had the lowest temps of all. Did that have something to do with it?

Also, what is grams/cyl?

Camaro509 10-20-2009 10:23 AM

I shouldn't be, but I am kind of surprised by the results against the OEM's.
Not knocking anyone, but am really surprised.

Thanks for taking the time to do this for us all!

matt55 10-20-2009 10:31 AM

Wow a lot of info , dont be fooled by buying one off HP gain alone .
There alot of good info there !
The intake that was the leanest made the most HP .
There was 1 intake that had no IAT gain , with a tune that one should be money !
But I think C.A.I. is the hottness .

Doc 10-20-2009 10:32 AM

Absolutely fantastic work Ted and team!! VERY interesting spreadsheet. IAT in particular was very interesting to study. Made my decision! CAI for me.

Fastlane 10-20-2009 10:39 AM

Thank for your efforts!!

JANNETTYRACING 10-20-2009 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D (Post 1066662)
So Ted, does Great beat excellent for the CAI one?

No Typo, Fixed, 1 Prayer on the way!

caverman 10-20-2009 10:47 AM

IAT is what? Internal Air Temp? I'm assuming the Temp inside the box if that's what IAT means?

caverman 10-20-2009 10:50 AM

Looks like CAI may be the overall winner for most HP/TQ without tune and excellent fit. To bad their site isn't working well right now. If I remember correctly this is one that had heat shielding on the inside of the box. I think he also said it should be around the $400 range (can't remember).

I would like to see more info and pics for their CAI but their site is not really working and it's probably going to get kinda hammered over the next few days.

JANNETTYRACING 10-20-2009 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croathlete (Post 1066663)
Great analysis Ted! Very interesting results. Looks like the CAI's with the greatest gains really need a tune.

Question about the New Era. What about it made it have poor driveability? It seems like it had the lowest temps of all. Did that have something to do with it?

Also, what is grams/cyl?

At low engine speeds the maf being so close to the TB, picks up backwash from the valves opening and closing, unavoidable with such a short distance.

Beleive me it is minor and will not happen on every car on those that experience it Custom tuning definately helps a bunch.

Some times you have to make Small sacrafices for Power.

Gram/Cyl, is the Air flow reported by the MAF with ultimately controls fueling and selection of timing cell on the timing map.

If you look you will see different timing recorded for each kit due to differences in Grams/Cyl reorted by MAF.

Mr Smith 10-20-2009 10:50 AM

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JANNETTYRACING 10-20-2009 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Smith (Post 1066829)
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Updated.

Doc 10-20-2009 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caverman (Post 1066825)
Looks like CAI may be the overall winner for most HP/TQ without tune and excellent fit. To bad their site isn't working well right now. If I remember correctly this is one that had heat shielding on the inside of the box. I think he also said it should be around the $400 range (can't remember).

I would like to see more info and pics for their CAI but their site is not really working and it's probably going to get kinda hammered over the next few days.

I just placed my order and their site was working fine.

comm54 10-20-2009 10:55 AM

Hey Uncle Ted :respekt: I can't thank you enough for doing this for all of us!:headbang: Great spreadsheet:bow:
i would like to know if you can tell me: Why is the "fuel trim" different? How does it get changed? If the fuel trim was "turned up" on the CAI, would it make more horsepower?
And the IAT reading: what are "Good Numbers" compared to stock? Should they be higher,lower, or unchanged?
Thanks Again and Have A Great Day!

Mr Smith 10-20-2009 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING (Post 1066844)
Updated.

Sweet..Thanks!

Andro 10-20-2009 10:57 AM

Great Job Jannetty racing thanks for the comparison :thumbsup:

caverman 10-20-2009 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc (Post 1066862)
I just placed my order and their site was working fine.

Their site started working for me as well but when I did a search on products I only found the filter replacements.

How much did you have to pay for the CAI?

I'm going to try their site again in a few min.

Crowley 10-20-2009 11:01 AM

Untuned, I think it shows how efficient the stock system is :) .. Look at the timing on the stock runs :)

Doc 10-20-2009 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caverman (Post 1066879)
Their site started working for me as well but when I did a search on products I only found the filter replacements.

How much did you have to pay for the CAI?

I'm going to try their site again in a few min.

It's listed at $399. Mine was $418 with shipping.

franknbeans 10-20-2009 11:06 AM

great job guys!

rodscamaro 10-20-2009 11:13 AM

Can someone post a link to CIA. Thanks!!!

Partick 10-20-2009 11:13 AM

Well done on the spreadsheet! Very informative and straightforward. I have the Roto-Fab and was hoping for better numbers but I'm still happy with it!

SSOOCH 10-20-2009 11:17 AM

I am just shocked at the Hennessey CAI results! And it costs $500!! :facepalm:

I almost ordered that thing!!

HaveBlue 10-20-2009 11:21 AM

I think anyone would be happy with any of these kit. Great job guys.

The lean power increase reminds me, an engine builder told me once "lean makes more power, ......right up until things turn ugly".:yikes:
I'd definitely get a tune.

Thanks for the thorough testing Ted (and your guys that helped!) :w00t:

D1BADZ 10-20-2009 11:21 AM

Thanks for all the hard work. personally im gonna wait for vararam, since they have there satisfaction gaurantee!

caverman 10-20-2009 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodscamaro (Post 1066965)
Can someone post a link to CIA. Thanks!!!

http://www.coldairinductions.com/


Look at my other theard for CAI. I just posted an update after calling them.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48214

futrocpd 10-20-2009 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowley (Post 1066628)
Look forward to checking out the results once I am home. I can't get to the spreadsheet from work.

Thanks,
Crowley

same here

Croathlete 10-20-2009 11:43 AM

So with a tune, New Era would theoretically make the most power?

franknbeans 10-20-2009 11:43 AM

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I attached a picture for you dudes at work.

HaveBlue 10-20-2009 11:44 AM

From other thread, now closed.

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I don't mean any disrespect But the test was not worth the time as no one drove the car after CAI change this E38 ESM need time to learn or it FU.. up the AFR and that is why it makes so small a deference in HP in all the units, If you wear on and looked at the New Era install you will see it was smoking good as you start the car and it was tiring to find its happy place.
It also stalled after it started.
Dude! Get your dyno ready! You can do the next tests.

Morepwr 10-20-2009 11:44 AM

Fantastic job!:thumbup:

Lots of very good and interesting info there. Good effort and thank you for the work and the post of the results.:clap:

HaveBlue 10-20-2009 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Croathlete (Post 1067049)
So with a tune, New Era would theoretically make the most power?

ALL would make more power with a tune. I think the OTR's would really come into there own with mainifold/head/cam changes.

2SSRS@Gen5diy 10-20-2009 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaveBlue (Post 1067056)
From other thread, now closed.



Dude! Get your dyno ready! You can do the next tests.

Have done it long ago.


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