You should adhere to your second sentence.You actually had it right.
Nobody is forcing anyone to buy a car.:der:

Those who are willing to pay more will be first. Wait until they are served and get yours at a fraction of the price. Nothing wrong with that. Supply and demand

What use to piss me off were the limited production cars (like GNX) that the average guy never stood a chance to get. Now these super performance cars are standard production so no biggie.

That's the point, you don't have to pay it. If there is demand at that price point it will sell. If not the price will come down. They're just testing the market and a lot of times there is someone who will pay the premium.

And the manufactures set the INVOICE price they sell to the dealership. After that the dealership sets its own price. MSRP means nothing. Do you get upset when dealers sell below MSRP too?

There are very few that buy with a markup on the sticker.
 

I have never paid over MSRP and never will. If you plan on seriously buying a vehicle approach the dealer with either cash (highly unlikely) , or pre approved with a check in your hand. You have to be patient when the car is brand new, and have financing already.

Only dumbasses pay over MSRP. The problem is that dealers know that there are many dumbasses on this planet. Why fault the dealer?

The thing that really surprised me was the news that you can lease a Hellcat for around $570.00 dollars. You have to put 5 grand down but still. I could see many people going that route.

Actually the argument isn't so much what the dealers should or shouldn't be allowed to charge as much as who's customer is it really? The dealer doesn't build the car or have to pay for the warranty etc. from that point of view it is GM/Dodge/Fords customer and they have done the research and positioned the car to appeal and sell to a certain segment.

As a Canadian I don't mean to poke the whole USA free market thing but the rest of the world just doesn't operate to the degree of the supply and demand theory that you guys do. There is a balance somewhere in there where everyone can be happy and from the manufacturers point of view they have already built in a ROI into the price of the car. Dealers are expected to make additional profit through service, parts sales, extra service by creating a relationship with the customer through good customer service.

But, what generally happens is dealers piss off customers and then start trying to jack up MSRP's to gain additional profit and put the customers brand loyalty in danger by jacking prices. It's just not as easy as supply and demand in regards to car sales as it is much more complicated then that.

Theres always additional factors that come into play, but supply and demand is the main driver. Sure dealers have different pricing strategies for different reasons. And some people will avoid certain dealers for various reasons despite their price. But at the end of the day if there is a low supply any intelligent business person is going to expand their profit margin if possible. It might piss off some buyers who won't buy another vehicle from them, but that's their risk to take if they want. The only way customers can drive down prices is to not buy until its at a price you're willing to pay. Unless you like laws that restrict the free market, then contact your representatives.

Here is another guy that gets it. This supply and demand crap we've been fed in the USA is getting out of control. Many times it's used as an excuse to rape consumers. I believe it causes us to become the greedy society we are.

By the way I know I don't have to make the purchase at that price. That's beyond the point I was trying to make.

If you're a consumer and you're ok with dealers jacking up prices, in my opinion, you're insane.

Or you are one of those people that paid the "market adjusted price" and you're just trying to feel better about doing it.

Back to the topic at hand. Cars.

Point is that in a free market guys with money can bid up the price of the first cars. Better that than a system that controls pricing and ultimately availability.

Be happy that production isn't limited and you will get a chance to buy at or below MSRP once the hype settles down

I hear ya.

After selling my 2010 SS three weeks ago I had already decided to wait at least 2-3 years to see what GM, Dodge and Ford do with all their newly re-designed beasts. Then I'm making the leap.

Like you said, thank god none of these are going to be limited productions.

The only consumers getting "raped" are the ones who want too. Freedom of choice is yours.

The ZL1 and GT500 had the same supply/demand issue early on. I called 20+ dealers trying to find an allocation at MSRP and found none. Eventually one dealer called me back because they couldn't sell it at the mark up. Supply and demand at its finest. Now look at ZL1 prices...supply is high and prices are down. Same thing will happen with
the hellcat.

If supply and demand is "crap" you could make a killing selling your theory assuming its true. Make millions so you can throw away a $10k markup on a first year hellcat.

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And if a person agrees to it, it's not rape.

When did the idea that businesses exist to perform a public service creep into our way of thinking?