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mlee 03-20-2011 07:56 PM
:popcorn:

PQ 03-20-2011 08:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69 (Post 2987222)
Sure has been quiet in here today. I'm guessing he's driving a bit, gettiing out laughing, admiring the new look, getting in, repeat :laugh:
Or appeasing the better half....... :bellyroll: Car time doesn't come free... lol

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Originally Posted by 600hp-lpe (Post 2987793)
I almost finished my rollcage cleanup/ whole interior rebuild before GTA installed his alignment LOL...
:laugh:

600hp-lpe 03-21-2011 09:47 AM
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Chris.. might be trapped like this..
maybe that's why we havn't heard from him.
Or he likes the ride so much, he won't get out of the car to tell us.

We need an update!! Don't hold out like Speedster...

PQ 03-21-2011 09:54 AM
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JusticePete 03-21-2011 09:57 AM
Chris is under a lot of pressure -- about 2 tons worth.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attach...1&d=1300718808

:laughabove:

No joy on the alignment as the shop could not get his THR on the rack. Hopefully today they get it on the rack and his BUSHES TIMED!

PQ 03-21-2011 10:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 2989566)
No joy on the alignment as the shop could not get his THR on the rack. Hopefully today they get it on the rack and his BUSHES TIMED!
Bushes timed... ?

zebra 03-21-2011 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 2986567)
it is all about approach angles. Of course it is my business but I lower every thing and drive every where. If you don't rub some time you need to go lower.
oh, try going from 4x4s almost all your life to a leveled corvette :rolleyes:
i learned about approach angles & speed real quick! :yikes:

i almost cried a few weeks ago when i went to warsh her & accidentally found out about the retaining mounds you have to drive over. that was one of the most heart-wrenching sounds i've experienced in a vehicle! :( and that was at a slow angle! :facepalm:

Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 2989566)
Chris is under a lot of pressure -- about 2 tons worth.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attach...1&d=1300718808

:laughabove:

No joy on the alignment as the shop could not get his THR on the rack. Hopefully today they get it on the rack and his BUSHES TIMED!
:laugh: i bet it was as fun as putting Randy's car on the trailer :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by PQ (Post 2989587)
Bushes timed... ?
:word:

JusticePete 03-21-2011 10:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PQ (Post 2989587)
Bushes timed... ?
We sync them to the Atomic clock for optimal function in relation to the earth's magnetic fields.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135483

While some lower their cars just for the look, many lower their cars for improved function. To get the full benefit of lowering coils, you need an alignment tech that understands performance vehicles and lowered vehicles.

The first step in proper alignment on a lowered car is to break loose the bolts at every rotational suspension bolt. That would include the the radius and inner control arm bolts up front. In the rear, the trailing arm, toe link, upper and lower control arm at the knuckle and he lower inner. The car then should be at least bounced. The prefered method is driven gently slowly around the ship parking lot. With the weight of the vehicle on the wheels all the bolts are made tight. This process times the bonded ferule OEM rubber bushes to the new ride height.

Timing the bushings balances the car. The rotational resistance in the bushes is a second set of springs in the car. If they are not timed to the new ride height they are creating uneven loads as the car moves over a bump. The suspension will function correctly with the bushes timed and will also last longer. Only a professional that understands suspension will take this extra step or a dedicated DIY like Chris.

zebra 03-21-2011 10:53 AM
:thumbsup:

GTAHVIT 03-21-2011 12:14 PM
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Damn! sorry. yesterday was family day... :D had to run around with the wife an kiddos. but here are some images for you guys to check out. I've got some good video but didn't take any pics of the install... :facepalm:


So, the car is pulling to the right obviously the alignment will fix that.... it's not pulling much but just enough keep me from any spirited driving... I will say this... out of the box with zero tweaking... there is a night an day difference. the car is now flat... stays flat and unless God wills it, it will never not be flat... :laugh:

I know i have much more "feedback" from all four corners I'm sure I'll feel much better after the alignment is done right now the pulling is kinda ruining the overall effect of the new suspension... The responsiveness to any steering input is much more crisp even with the alignment out...

I'll have a much better report for you all tomorrow after the alignment. :headbang:

PICS!!!!

GTAHVIT 03-21-2011 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 2989778)
We sync them to the Atomic clock for optimal function in relation to the earth's magnetic fields.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135483

While some lower their cars just for the look, many lower their cars for improved function. To get the full benefit of lowering coils, you need an alignment tech that understands performance vehicles and lowered vehicles.

The first step in proper alignment on a lowered car is to break loose the bolts at every rotational suspension bolt. That would include the the radius and inner control arm bolts up front. In the rear, the trailing arm, toe link, upper and lower control arm at the knuckle and he lower inner. The car then should be at least bounced. The prefered method is driven gently slowly around the ship parking lot. With the weight of the vehicle on the wheels all the bolts are made tight. This process times the bonded ferule OEM rubber bushes to the new ride height.

Timing the bushings balances the car. The rotational resistance in the bushes is a second set of springs in the car. If they are not timed to the new ride height they are creating uneven loads as the car moves over a bump. The suspension will function correctly with the bushes timed and will also last longer. Only a professional that understands suspension will take this extra step or a dedicated DIY like Chris.

Should I go ahead and do this tonight before I take it to the delaer for an alignemnt?

Or do you think the dealer will do this... on a camaro/corvette anyway?

600hp-lpe 03-21-2011 12:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTAHVIT (Post 2990063)
Should I go ahead and do this tonight before I take it to the delaer for an alignemnt?

Or do you think the dealer will do this... on a camaro/corvette anyway?
It's not something they would "normally" do at a dealership as part of an alignment. Unless you know the guy that is doing the work, I would be doing it myself so it gets done.

GTAHVIT 03-21-2011 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 600hp-lpe (Post 2990146)
It's not something they would "normally" do at a dealership as part of an alignment. Unless you know the guy that is doing the work, I would be doing it myself so it gets done.
OK cool I'll do this tonight.

So basically any where there is rotation or pivot, loosen those bolts drive for a bit then jack back up and retighten?

Mr Twisty 03-21-2011 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTAHVIT (Post 2990296)
OK cool I'll do this tonight.

So basically any where there is rotation or pivot, loosen those bolts drive for a bit then jack back up and retighten?
The car looks GOOD!
After you bounce or drive it, you want to tighten all the nuts/bolts without upsetting their new position. You don't want to jack it up. It would be best to do it at the alignment shop, or someplace with a pit.

PQ 03-21-2011 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 2989778)
We sync them to the Atomic clock for optimal function in relation to the earth's magnetic fields.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135483

While some lower their cars just for the look, many lower their cars for improved function. To get the full benefit of lowering coils, you need an alignment tech that understands performance vehicles and lowered vehicles.

The first step in proper alignment on a lowered car is to break loose the bolts at every rotational suspension bolt. That would include the the radius and inner control arm bolts up front. In the rear, the trailing arm, toe link, upper and lower control arm at the knuckle and he lower inner. The car then should be at least bounced. The prefered method is driven gently slowly around the ship parking lot. With the weight of the vehicle on the wheels all the bolts are made tight. This process times the bonded ferule OEM rubber bushes to the new ride height.

Timing the bushings balances the car. The rotational resistance in the bushes is a second set of springs in the car. If they are not timed to the new ride height they are creating uneven loads as the car moves over a bump. The suspension will function correctly with the bushes timed and will also last longer. Only a professional that understands suspension will take this extra step or a dedicated DIY like Chris.
Wow. I'd NEVER find a shop here that would do it. So I'll do it myself after I fix the control arm.

My steering wheel is actually a taaad of center and it drives me nuts. :laugh:

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTAHVIT (Post 2990054)
PICS!!!!
Damn. THAT's what I'm tommout.... :headbang:

Quote:
Originally Posted by 600hp-lpe (Post 2990146)
It's not something they would "normally" do at a dealership as part of an alignment. Unless you know the guy that is doing the work, I would be doing it myself so it gets done.
:word:

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTAHVIT (Post 2990296)
OK cool I'll do this tonight.

So basically any where there is rotation or pivot, loosen those bolts drive for a bit then jack back up and retighten?
I'm curious too. While still under weight, or suspension hung.

PQ 03-21-2011 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69 (Post 2990470)
The car looks GOOD!
After you bounce or drive it, you want to tighten all the nuts/bolts without upsetting their new position. You don't want to jack it up. It would be best to do it at the alignment shop, or someplace with a pit.
Damn. I"d actually have to coordinate it with a shop here. That sucks.......

But, Chris, how far is Sears? Maybe ease it to them like that? :iono:

Redemption 03-21-2011 01:53 PM
Need to re-tighten when there is a load on the wheels. No jacks!

Jason

600hp-lpe 03-21-2011 02:03 PM
you want the car to be "at rest" with the weight on the suspension.
Goal is to get everything to settle into it's new home while in it's static location.

If you jack it up and tighten stuff, it's not in the right position.

Best place to do it is on an alignment machine, prior to the alignment. Some of the same bolts need to be loosened up to do the alignment anyways.

PQ 03-21-2011 02:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 600hp-lpe (Post 2990555)
you want the car to be "at rest" with the weight on the suspension.
Goal is to get everything to settle into it's new home while in it's static location.

If you jack it up and tighten stuff, it's not in the right position.

Best place to do it is on an alignment machine, prior to the alignment. Some of the same bolts need to be loosened up to do the alignment.
I can say for certain, here in Mobile anyway, it would not be easy to get the shops to do it. I hate this place.

Chris may have more luck on his end. Sounded like Sears was willing to work with him.

JusticePete 03-21-2011 02:26 PM
It is a shame that most shops do not do this. No one is asking to have it done for free. In a business shop it is really easy. Put it on a lift. Loosen the bolts. Drive around the shop lot and on to the alignment rack. Tighten the bolts and proceed with the alignment. It can't take an hour.

At home you can do it with boards. It is a little bit trickier to get to the bolts, but it is doable and it works.

(2) 2x12x48
(2) 2x12x36
(4) 2x12x12

You will be able to drive up in steps and the wheels will be evenly loaded. In the shop and at home we have these boards cover in truck bedliner. You can keep them clean and they don't slip. You can use 8 or 10" boards to cut costs, but you get the idea.

Timing the bushes is the difference between doing a half axxed job and doing it right.

JusticePete 03-21-2011 02:32 PM
Hey PQ :respekt:

thespymaster 03-21-2011 02:32 PM
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attach...1&d=1300727315


Looks really good Chris..............

GTAHVIT 03-21-2011 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 600hp-lpe (Post 2990555)
you want the car to be "at rest" with the weight on the suspension.
Goal is to get everything to settle into it's new home while in it's static location.

If you jack it up and tighten stuff, it's not in the right position.

Best place to do it is on an alignment machine, prior to the alignment. Some of the same bolts need to be loosened up to do the alignment anyways.
COOL!

OH and thanks very much for giving me a call about preloading the rear springs.

:respekt:

ah hem... Pete was ignoring my calls at that very critical time... ;)

Jay_LHD3 03-21-2011 02:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PQ (Post 2990567)
I can say for certain, here in Mobile anyway, it would not be easy to get the shops to do it. I hate this place.

Chris may have more luck on his end. Sounded like Sears was willing to work with him.
My alignment shop did not know what I was talking about. I gave them Pete's instructions and after they read it they agreed it made sense.

You can tell the difference afterwards, it removes that "spring board" feel!!



:thumbsup:

Darth_Emma 03-21-2011 03:05 PM
Chris:
Your car looks great dropped. I love that stance. :clap:

GTAHVIT 03-21-2011 03:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thespymaster (Post 2990703)
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attach...1&d=1300727315


Looks really good Chris..............
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth_Emma (Post 2990841)
Chris:
Your car looks great dropped. I love that stance. :clap:
Thanks Very much... I'm super happy with it. :D

JoeP@TeamBeckyD 03-21-2011 03:24 PM
Chris, looks great :drool: I'm sure
you'll love the ride and handling as
well. Sorry you aren't closer, my
guys are good at these installs and
love it. :w00t: Good job :thumbsup:

mlee 03-21-2011 03:40 PM
Car looks GREAT... but I thought you were going to lower it...:iono:

JusticePete 03-21-2011 03:53 PM
Chris would you post your ride hieghts measured Pedders style?

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...c099324d7d.jpg

PQ 03-21-2011 04:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 2990664)
It is a shame that most shops do not do this. No one is asking to have it done for free. In a business shop it is really easy. Put it on a lift. Loosen the bolts. Drive around the shop lot and on to the alignment rack. Tighten the bolts and proceed with the alignment. It can't take an hour.

At home you can do it with boards. It is a little bit trickier to get to the bolts, but it is doable and it works.

(2) 2x12x48
(2) 2x12x36
(4) 2x12x12

You will be able to drive up in steps and the wheels will be evenly loaded. In the shop and at home we have these boards cover in truck bedliner. You can keep them clean and they don't slip. You can use 8 or 10" boards to cut costs, but you get the idea.

Timing the bushes is the difference between doing a half axxed job and doing it right.
All of the shops that I've dealt with here don't want a customers input on anything.

And I suppose it must be a pain when a know it all customer tries to tell you how to do your stuff, but it sucks when they just 'tune you out' as a potential pain in theri ass, when there are times when we might know something.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay_LHD3 (Post 2990745)
My alignment shop did not know what I was talking about. I gave them Pete's instructions and after they read it they agreed it made sense.

You can tell the difference afterwards, it removes that "spring board" feel!!



:thumbsup:
I"m gonna do it on mine, but I'll just use my wood ramps here at home to tighten them before I go to the alignment shop. IF I find a shop that can do an alignment. They've all run from it in the past.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mlee (Post 2991014)
Car looks GREAT... but I thought you were going to lower it...:iono:
:bellyroll:

GTAHVIT 03-21-2011 09:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlee (Post 2991014)
Car looks GREAT... but I thought you were going to lower it...:iono:
:mad0260:

:laugh:


Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 2991078)
Chris would you post your ride hieghts measured Pedders style?

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...c099324d7d.jpg
Will do, first thing tomorrow before I head to work :D

:thumbsup:

Jekyll-N-Hyde 03-21-2011 10:18 PM
Hell Yeah Car looks Dam Good Chris :thumbsup:

TAG UR IT 03-22-2011 12:17 AM
Lookin' good, man!

GTAHVIT 03-22-2011 09:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JusticePete (Post 2991078)
Chris would you post your ride hieghts measured Pedders style?

http://forums.peddersusa.com/imageho...c099324d7d.jpg
OK

Fronts 64.8 CM

Rears 66.5 CM

And they are exactly the same on both sides.. I did not adjust the ride height at all.. They are set as they came from the factory.

Not that it affects ride height, but, we put the preload on the rears at 5mm and about 3 mm up front. I shot some video of how to set the preload on the rears, same process as the fronts.


Alignment,

Jerry Hamm here in Jax has a real good Corvette/Camaro Tech named Mike.

After I asked him to time the bushings he said no problem. In fact he said... I'm glad you asked me to do that it makes perfect sense....

I didn't ask him for any custom alignment, especially since I'm about to drive 4K miles here in a couple weeks... But they're gonna take care of me.

:thumbsup:

600hp-lpe 03-22-2011 11:50 AM
cool.. nice to see SOMEONE has a decent alignment shop (Besides me) to go to..;)

Rob at Wretched Motorsports keeps me Inline..

Looks like PQ needs to move near you so he can get air to stay in his tires, and keep parts from falling off..:yikes:

Mr Twisty 03-22-2011 12:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 600hp-lpe (Post 2994665)

Looks like PQ needs to move near you so he can get air to stay in his tires, and keep parts from falling off..:yikes:
:facepalm:

:bellyroll:

PQ 03-22-2011 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GTAHVIT (Post 2994128)
After I asked him to time the bushings he said no problem. In fact he said... I'm glad you asked me to do that it makes perfect sense....
:mad0259: Blah Blah Blah,,,,,,, "Look at me..... I live in Jacksonville where I have access to all the cool stuff............ and good shops......... and parts".......... blah blah blah.......... Attachment 219274

I need lug nuts...... gotta order them.
I need a fuel schreader valve....... gotta order it.
I need a dyno tune......... gotta drive 7 hours to get it.
I need a decent alignment....... :help:

But NOOoooooOOOOoooo........... not Mister fortunate here......

Chris: "Oh..... looky there, a speed shop with all the resources opens up across the street. How luck am I?"

:suicide:<<<<<<<<<<< PQ


















*ahem*


Ok. I"m ok.


:bellyroll:



Quote:
Originally Posted by 600hp-lpe (Post 2994665)
Looks like PQ needs to move near you so he can get air to stay in his tires, and keep parts from falling off..:yikes:
:word:

WadeWilson 03-22-2011 12:33 PM
Looking good bro!! :respekt:

zebra 03-22-2011 01:44 PM
somebody's being a whiny little diva :rolleyes:

GTAHVIT 03-22-2011 02:31 PM
OH... and my car is straight as an arrow now

:D

Just sayin....


so Pete... you know, since the supercars are SOOOOooooOOOOOOOOooooo adjustable...

Say if I were to have a grudge match with a "friend" and say we were going to do both Autox aaaannd Drag racing... what would be the recommended settings on both rebound and compression for all four of my adjustable coilovers for both autox and drag racing?????


hmmmm?????

:D


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