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PonyMan 09-09-2010 09:56 AM

FSU VS. OU, Who Wins?
 
FSU Wins! OU's secondary will be lite-up!!!


Below, is a OU history lesson for PQ, and anyother "Sooner"!! ;)


A Timeline of Oklahoma Cheating

1889: The Land Run
Territories in Oklahoma were opened for settlement at high noon on April 22, 1889, with an estimated 50,000 people lined up for their piece of the available two million acres. It was called a land run as land was claimed on a first come, first served basis.

Those who broke the rules by crossing the border into the territory before it was allowed were said to have been crossing the border sooner, leading to the term “sooners”, which eventually became the state’s official nickname.

Thus, the state institutionalized the approval of cheating.

1955: Recruiting Violations
Accusations were made by the NCAA of paying player’s tuition after their eligibility had expired, paying the bills of player’s families, and of the liberal spreading around of money in general. OU was put on probation for two years, with the NCAA noting how much it appreciated OU’s cooperation.

1960: The Slush Fund
A NCAA report stated that an OU athletic department official (unnamed) failed to report a slush fund operated by OU staff. The official stonewalled when its existence was revealed. OU was put on “indefinite suspension” until OU proved the slush fund was gone.


1973: Various Violations
Accusations included boosters providing transportation to recruits, and a Sooner assistant falsifying QB Kerry Jackson’s transcript so he would be eligible (the assistant was not terminated). The NCAA gave OU a TV ban and a bowl game ban. Barry Switzer was on the staff at this time, but was an assistant to head coach Chuck Fairbanks.

1980: Sweating the Small Stuff
Lots of smoke, but not much fire. Switzer mocked the NCAA for prosecuting them in his book, “Bootlegger’s Boy”, but players Charles Thompson and Brian Bosworth reported getting paid well in their respective books.

1988: Switzer’s True Colors Show
Any doubts that Switzer ran a dirty program were dispelled by the NCAA’s report covering 1985 and 1986. Assistant coaches offered envelopes with cash to recruits, cars were provided, bills were taken care of, and game tickets were sold. An internal OU investigation revealed no additional violations. Unfortunately, ex-players and recruits talked, so the NCAA reported additional violations.

OU again investigated and found nothing more. The NCAA sanctioned OU, and informed them that if they fought the sanctions, the NCAA had more they could investigate.

Oklahoma received a three year probation, a two year television ban, and a one year bowl ban. Switzer was fired.


April 2006: A Phone Addiction
The NCAA revealed an investigation into hundreds of improper recruiting phone calls by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson’s staff. Oklahoma escaped major sanctions, as the NCAA found OU guilty of a “failure to monitor,” a less severe ruling than “lack of institutional control,” which had been recommended by the NCAA’s enforcement staff.

The NCAA backed OU’s self-imposed two year probation, but also issued a public reprimand and censure.

August 2006: Big Red Imports
Right before the 2006 football season, it was revealed that Rhett Bomar and J.D. Quinn had been kicked off the team. They had been “employed” by car dealership Big Red Imports, and being paid for work they did not perform. They were let go from the team right before the NCAA came down on OU.

Additional investigations by OU concluded that no additional violations had occurred, even though Adrian Peterson had purchased a vehicle from the dealership before securing financing, driven it for several weeks, and then returned the car. Oklahoma ruled Peterson did not violate rules because the dealership said it was normal business practice.

Oklahoma was forced by the NCAA to forfeit its wins from the 2005 season and lost two scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years. It’s probation from the Sampson problem was also extended.

So there you are. Quite a history of dishonesty and cheating the Sooners have.

In all fairness, Bob Stoops seems to be trying to run a clean program. Their 2000 national championship is likely one of the cleanest ever. And there are indications that Stoops didn’t know about the Big Red Imports violations until right before he kicked Bomar and Quinn off the team, although the clearing of Peterson is a bit bothersome.

I’m sure this honesty is just a temporal situation, and Oklahoma will return to its cheating ways soon enough.

ArkySS 09-09-2010 11:23 AM

Ruh Roh it's on.....PQ you're up!

CamaroSkooter 09-09-2010 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkySS (Post 2312528)
Ruh Roh it's on.....PQ your up!

:rolleyes: I believe you mean you're. It's okay, your grammar isn't nearly as bad as what I've seen in some posts on this forum. :sm0:

PQ 09-09-2010 01:33 PM

I can live with that. :thumbsup:



OU wins by 17 ;)

PQ 09-09-2010 02:15 PM

Actually. If you knew everything about every program, there is NO SUCH THING as a clean program. Not a successful one anyway.

If you think Texas ain't cheating whenever they can, you're kidding yourself.

Oh, and the Peterson thing is so legit it's not even funny.

I have kept a car a few days and not bought it before. I did eventually buy one, but it happens all the time.

BTW, all of this is just another reason why the NFL is far better than college football.

Oh, ya, Charles Thompson has about as much credibility as Mike Tyson.

Sax1031 09-09-2010 02:17 PM

I actually believe FSU takes the game but will be watching.

ArkySS 09-09-2010 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter (Post 2312925)
:rolleyes: I believe you mean you're. It's okay, your grammar isn't nearly as bad as what I've seen in some posts on this forum. :sm0:

Smart ass in every bunch....but usually it's me...I honestly resist the temptation several times to do the same thing so don't feel bad.:D

PonyMan 09-09-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PQ (Post 2313075)
Actually. If you knew everything about every program, there is NO SUCH THING as a clean program. Not a successful one anyway.
If you think Texas ain't cheating whenever they can, you're kidding yourself.
Oh, ya, Charles Thompson has about as much credibility as Mike Tyson.

PQ, You are a good sport about it all! :thumbsup: How about a parting photo!!! :D

http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...Tex_2007/5.jpg

springerpete 09-09-2010 10:29 PM

I'll take the Gooners on their own field. They'll be up for this game.

If they lose though I won't lose any sleep. :)

Sax1031 09-11-2010 10:41 PM

I was wrong Sooners. Sorry

MEDISIN 09-11-2010 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PonyMan (Post 2312267)
FSU Wins! OU's secondary will be lite-up!!!

Clearly the case. Just remember, the most successful coach at the University of Tejas was an Oklahoman. You would think that with all the talent and resources Mack has, there would be more to show for it.

Congrats on the big win over Wyoming today. :thumbsup:

CamaroSkooter 09-12-2010 08:34 PM

And who does O-Who play next week? Don't act like Okie's schedule isn't filled with fluff games either. ;)

In all honesty, I was more disappointed with FSU's performance than anything. I mean, really, only 7 points on the board partway into the 4th? Pretty lame for a 17th seed. It's obvious FSU never should've been in the top-20 with that kind of showing...

MEDISIN 09-12-2010 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter (Post 2323696)
And who does O-Who play next week? Don't act like Okie's schedule isn't filled with fluff games either. ;)

Let's see, we play Air Force - a team that had a better record last year (8-5) than any of Tejas' non-conference opponents. You simply can't beat the non-conference cupcakes Mack schedules every year.

Rice: 2-10
Wyoming: 7-6
UCLA: 7-6
FL ATL: 5-7

Yeah, real power-houses there. :thumbsup:

dcamarom 09-12-2010 10:55 PM

Air Force also beat BYU yesterday, so Air Force apparantly has a strong program.

CamaroSkooter 09-13-2010 07:34 AM

Or BYU's not that great this year - we won't know 'til later to see just how good or bad each team's non-conference schedule really was. And Air Force played who last year? Let's see, they beat Nicholls State, New Mexico, San Diego State, Wyoming, Colorado State, Army, UNLV, and then Houston in the Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl...

Color me under-whelmed...

But I suppose the Sooner faithful have a lot more respect for any team that finished the season with the same record (8-5) last year :sm0:

MEDISIN 09-13-2010 11:31 AM

Silly horn. And Tejas played who last year? Their "signature" wins were over 10-4 Nebraska and 8-5 Oklahoma. The only top 10 team Tejas played last year beat them handedly. But congratulations on that third Big XII championship. Now the entire state of Tejas has...less championships than we do :sm0:

BackinBlackSS/RS 09-13-2010 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PonyMan (Post 2312267)
FSU Wins! OU's secondary will be lite-up!!!

.

Do you want your crow baked or fried? LMFAO

Mr Twisty 09-13-2010 12:28 PM

Sooo... who won, ponyboy? :popcorn:

...But seriously, that was a great write-up, ahh the good ol' days :laugh:

We be fixin tah de-horn some moo cows soon enough. Brace yourself.

PonyMan 09-13-2010 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BackinBlackSS/RS (Post 2325331)
Do you want your crow baked or fried? LMFAO

No Crow here, I call them as I see them!! :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterCamaro69 (Post 2325439)
Sooo... who won, ponyboy? :popcorn:

...But seriously, that was a great write-up, ahh the good ol' days :laugh:

We be fixin tah de-horn some moo cows soon enough. Brace yourself.

Same crap I hear year and year! Like most are saying "OU should either be ranked #1, or FSU really SUCKS", I will go with the FSU SUXS!!

MEDISIN 09-13-2010 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PonyMan (Post 2325557)
Same crap I hear year and year! Like most are saying "OU should either be ranked #1, or FSU really SUCKS", I will go with the FSU SUXS!!

It's only because we've spent 97 weeks ranked #1 in the AP Poll that it "seems" like you hear it every year...

CamaroSkooter 09-13-2010 01:56 PM

Does anyone here know where the hostility between OU and Texas stems from? :popcorn:

I mean, as a former member of the LHB, I have a few legitimate reasons to hate Sooner fans, but for the most part all of the Sooner fans and Longhorn fans just blidnly hate each other without even wondering why that is. I find it a bit humorous...

PonyMan 09-13-2010 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter (Post 2325699)
Does anyone here know where the hostility between OU and Texas stems from? :popcorn:

I mean, as a former member of the LHB, I have a few legitimate reasons to hate Sooner fans, but for the most part all of the Sooner fans and Longhorn fans just blidnly hate each other without even wondering why that is. I find it a bit humorous...

Well, see if it was not for the state of Texas, OU could not field a team (not a top 25 team)! Being a fifth generation UT grad, I don't hate OU people; I just wish they would change the name to "The University of Texas @ Norman"! :D

BackinBlackSS/RS 09-13-2010 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PonyMan (Post 2325557)
No Crow here, I call them as I see them!! :D

Really???????????????????

Okalahoma 47 FSU 17 That's a lot of crow. :D You let your dislike for OU make your pick, not reality. ;)

PQ 09-13-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PonyMan (Post 2325812)
Well, see if it was not for the state of Texas, OU could not field a team (not a top 25 team)! Being a fifth generation UT grad, I don't hate OU people; I just wish they would change the name to "The University of Texas @ Norman"! :D

I think the hate starts with the fact that OU has been more successful over the years and decades than Texas and Texas feels crapy about it because OU does it with less talent than them. Or at least supposed to be less talent.

I mean, Texas DOES get the first pick of in state recruits.......... right?

Or do they????????? ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PonyMan 09-13-2010 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PQ (Post 2325890)
I think the hate starts with the fact that OU has been more successful over the years and decades than Texas and Texas feels crapy about it because OU does it with less talent than them. Or at least supposed to be less talent.

Top 10 Winningest College Football Programs
1. Michigan: 877-304-38
2. Texas: 845-321-34
3. Notre Dame: 837-291-42
4. Nebraska: 827-341-41
5. Ohio State: 819-308-53
6. Alabama: 813-316-43
7. Penn State 812-351-43
8. Oklahoma: 796-305-53
9. Tennessee: 783-333-55
10. USC: 774-307-54

Texas vs. OU
Texas Longhorns 59 wins, Oklahoma Sooners 40 wins (5 ties)

All Sports National Titles & Championships
Texas has won 47 total national championships,39 of which are NCAA national championships.

OU has won 26

Even in the classroom ;)

Admissions Data (2009)

UT Avg. ACT Scores
ACT COMP 24/30
ACT ENGLISH 23/31
ACT MATH 25/32
•Percent of Applicants Admitted: 45%

OU Avg. ACT Scores
ACT COMP 23/28
ACT ENGLISH 22/29
ACT MATH 21/28
•Percent of Applicants Admitted: 73%

See, PQ at "The University of Texas" you get the "Full meal deal" :D

CamaroSkooter 09-13-2010 04:29 PM

My disdain for Okie fans starts and ends with marching into the Cotton Bowl. I've never had so much beer thrown on me in my life. Stay classy Oklahoma fans, if it's even in your vernacular...

cplhester 09-13-2010 04:43 PM

I can't wait until october

CamaroSkooter 09-13-2010 04:50 PM

Me either :popcorn:

MEDISIN 09-13-2010 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PonyMan (Post 2325812)
Well, see if it was not for the state of Texas, OU could not field a team (not a top 25 team)! Being a fifth generation UT grad, I don't hate OU people; I just wish they would change the name to "The University of Texas @ Norman"! :D

You can't blame all those kids from Tejas for wanting to leave! Granted there is a tremendous amount of talent in California, Tejas and Florida by virtue of the population of these warm weather states. And OU has always had a significant portion of it's roster filled with Tejas recruits. Heck Switzer was well recognized for his ability to recruit Tejas talent. Again, who wants to stay in Tejas?

That said none of our 5 Heisman Trophy winners were born in Tejas although Simms went to high school there.

Bradford (Oklahoma)
White (Oklahoma)
Simms (Missouri)
Owens (Oklahoma)
Vessels (Oklahoma)

Let's see, of the 2 Heisman winners at Tejas only one came from the state of Tejas. Ricky Williams was from San Diego.

And none of OUr 4 greatest coaches (each winning more than 100 games) are from Tejas.

Bennie (From Chicago, went to school at Kansas)
Bud (From Minneapolis, went to school at Minnesota)
Barry (From Arkansas, went to school at Arkansas)
Bob (From Youngstown, went to school at Iowa)

And as I mentioned in a previous post, Darrell Royal (167–45–5) - the most successful coach in Tejas football history was born in Oklahoma and played QB and DB for Oklahoma in the '40s. How does it feel to have your stadium named after an Oklahoman??

Looking at our current roster - our skill players:

Landry Jones QB (New Mexico)
Ryan Broyles WR (Oklahoma)
Cameron Kenney WR (Georgia)
DeMarco Murray RB (Nevada)
Mossis Madu RB (Oklahoma)
Frank Alexander DE (Louisiana)
Jeremy Beal DE (Texas)
Quinton Carter DB (Nevada)
Austin Box LB (Oklahoma)

So much for the "couldn't field a top 25 team without Tejas" :iono:

rmpackers 09-13-2010 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter (Post 2326189)
My disdain for Okie fans starts and ends with marching into the Cotton Bowl. I've never had so much beer thrown on me in my life. Stay classy Oklahoma fans, if it's even in your vernacular...

We have never had any difficulties with Sooner fans, and we have been playing them since before Texas was a state. Go Boomers!

Nebraska: The Power of Red

MEDISIN 09-13-2010 05:23 PM

Nebraska - now there's a team rich in tradition! I had the privilege of doing my residency there and attended many games in Lincoln. I made life-long friends and was ALWAYS treated with respect.

Hate to see the conference split but can't blame the Bugeaters for joining in with the Big10 - a lot more opportunities there.

I wish they would schedule Oklahoma vs Nebraska every year around Thanksgiving as a non-conference game! Really miss those days.

Hope to see you guys at the BigXII championship game for one last hurrah! You know Sooner nation (and all of college football) will be wearing red and cheering for you October 16th.

CamaroSkooter 09-13-2010 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rmpackers (Post 2326295)
We have never had any difficulties with Sooner fans, and we have been playing them since before Texas was a state. Go Boomers!

Nebraska: The Power of Red

So I suppose all the beer I had to empty from my sousaphone was just imagined? :rolleyes:

Remember, at the Cotton Bowl, seating is split 50-50 right down the 50-yard line. Texas on one side and Oklahoma on the other, and there's only one tunnel in the stadium. It's located at the end of the stadium that's surrounded by Sooner fans. So when the Longhorn Band marches into and out of the stadium for the pregame show, it's surrounded by Sooner fans. ;)

PonyMan 09-13-2010 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmpackers (Post 2326295)
We have never had any difficulties with Sooner fans, and we have been playing them since before Texas was a state :facepalm:. Go Boomers!

Nebraska: The Power of Red

History 101

Texas became "The" state on Dec. 29 1845 (UT's first football season 1883)

Nebraska statehood 1867 (Neb's first football season 1890)
Oklahoma statehood 1907 (OU's first football season 1895)

cplhester 09-13-2010 08:46 PM

Only two things come from Texas...

Mr Twisty 09-13-2010 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cplhester (Post 2326996)
Only two things come from Texas...

:emoticon7:

PQ 09-14-2010 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PonyMan (Post 2326062)
Top 10 Winningest College Football Programs
1. Michigan: 877-304-38
2. Texas: 845-321-34
3. Notre Dame: 837-291-42
4. Nebraska: 827-341-41
5. Ohio State: 819-308-53
6. Alabama: 813-316-43
7. Penn State 812-351-43
8. Oklahoma: 796-305-53
9. Tennessee: 783-333-55
10. USC: 774-307-54

Texas vs. OU
Texas Longhorns 59 wins, Oklahoma Sooners 40 wins (5 ties)

All Sports National Titles & Championships
Texas has won 47 total national championships,39 of which are NCAA national championships.

OU has won 26

Even in the classroom ;)

Admissions Data (2009)

UT Avg. ACT Scores
ACT COMP 24/30
ACT ENGLISH 23/31
ACT MATH 25/32
•Percent of Applicants Admitted: 45%

OU Avg. ACT Scores
ACT COMP 23/28
ACT ENGLISH 22/29
ACT MATH 21/28
•Percent of Applicants Admitted: 73%

See, PQ at "The University of Texas" you get the "Full meal deal" :D

Are you serious?

You mean your one of those guys who claim the local area magazine claiming you NCs and put it in your record book? So according to that, you guys have son 50 % of the NCships the passed 96 years. LMMFAO

Dude, seriously....... if your gonna count all the obscure and stupid stats, then NOBODY can compare to Harvard and Yale........... Please.........

Oh,,,, and as a fan.......... Like I give a **** how they do in the classroom.......... hahahahaha

Oncve again........ another reason the Pros are better...... You gotta bring up non football stats to prop up a team...... :facepalm:

PonyMan 09-14-2010 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PQ (Post 2327802)
Are you serious?

You mean your one of those guys who claim the local area magazine claiming you NCs and put it in your record book? So according to that, you guys have son 50 % of the NCships the passed 96 years. LMMFAO

Dude, seriously....... if your gonna count all the obscure and stupid stats, then NOBODY can compare to Harvard and Yale........... Please.........

PQ, go to NCAA.org/com, Google, Bing, or Wikipedia you will find all the info you need! And remember that is for "All Sports National Titles & Championships". You are right about Harvard & Yale!!!

Oh,,,, and as a fan.......... Like I give a **** how they do in the classroom.......... hahahahaha

As a UT alumni, it does mean a lot to me about what "The" university stands for on the fields of many sports (not just football), and most of all in academics.

Oncve again........ another reason the Pros are better...... You gotta bring up non football stats to prop up a team...... :facepalm:

America's Team "COWBOYS" :D

and always remember...........................;)
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/e...x_2007/4-1.jpg

CamaroSkooter 09-14-2010 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cplhester (Post 2326996)
Only two things come from Texas...

Yeah, that was original back in '87 when R. Lee Ermey said it. Get a new attempt at an insult :rolleyes:

MEDISIN 09-14-2010 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PonyMan (Post 2326062)
Top 10 Winningest College Football Programs
1. Michigan: 877-304-38
2. Texas: 845-321-34 (currently 847-321-34)
3. Notre Dame: 837-291-42
4. Nebraska: 827-341-41
5. Ohio State: 819-308-53
6. Alabama: 813-316-43
7. Penn State 812-351-43
8. Oklahoma: 799-302-53 (currently 801-302-53)
9. Tennessee: 783-333-55
10. USC: 774-307-54

Indeed, Tejas has won 845 games (end of 2009 season). As PonyMan pointed out, their first season was in 1883, whereas Oklahoma fielded their first team in 1895. So with 12 additional seasons, Tejas has managed to win 46 more games (and lose 19 more games) than OU.

As PQ pointed out, many of these Tejas wins came over 100 years ago when Princeton and Yale were perennial powerhouses. No one even mentions them in discussion because most people focus on the modern era of college football (Post WWII). Since 1945, OU leads the nation with a record of 562-175-13 (.758). Even going back to 1936 when the AP first began its poll, OU is No. 1 in the nation with a record of 614-199-22 (.748). OU holds the NCAA record for the longest winning streak at 47-straight games and has scored more points than any team in the nation (>31k).

Quote:

Originally Posted by PonyMan (Post 2326062)
Texas vs. OU
Texas Longhorns 59 wins, Oklahoma Sooners 40 wins (5 ties)

Props to the horns, they hold the series firmly with a 20 win advantage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PonyMan (Post 2326062)
All Sports National Titles & Championships
Texas has won 47 total national championships,39 of which are NCAA national championships.

OU has won 26

The reason PonyMan is deflecting to "All Sports" is because he knows Oklahoma owns Tejas in football national championships (7 vs 4), and conference titles (42 vs 32). Did I mention we shared a conference with Nebraska (5 national championships and 43 conference titles) for the better part of 80 years??

Fast-forward to the BigXII: OU 6 conference titles, Tejas 3.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PonyMan (Post 2326062)
Even in the classroom ;)

Admissions Data (2009)

UT Avg. ACT Scores
ACT COMP 24/30
ACT ENGLISH 23/31
ACT MATH 25/32
•Percent of Applicants Admitted: 45%

OU Avg. ACT Scores
ACT COMP 23/28
ACT ENGLISH 22/29
ACT MATH 21/28
•Percent of Applicants Admitted: 73%

See, PQ at "The University of Texas" you get the "Full meal deal" :D

And why are we talking about academics in a sports thread??

rmpackers 09-14-2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PonyMan (Post 2326563)
History 101

Texas became "The" state on Dec. 29 1845 (UT's first football season 1883)

Nebraska statehood 1867 (Neb's first football season 1890)
Oklahoma statehood 1907 (OU's first football season 1895)

Apparently the art of tongue in cheek humor is lost on you.


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