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Originally Posted by Punk_rider

Well ... first, oil won't go up forever I guess. There was a big crisis these last months. What I find funny is to hear some of my colleagues (I work in an investment bank) speculating on the price still going up or down ... come on guys ... you weren't able to see the last increase in price, you weren't able to see the subprime crisis come and you still speculate?

Second, everything depends on the sales. If the camaro, challenger and so on are a big commercial success, I don't see any reason for the era to stop

Third, the "green era" won't last forever too. Actually, I think their "global warming" bullshits won't work forever. LEt's think about it, green laws don't come from the scientific nor political world: ecological politics have been a big fail since the 70'. Now we are all supposed to be green ... why? because green products are more expensive, because big companies were facing some kinda decrease in demand and created the "green thing" to make the demand go up again. Thus, when everything will be "green", companies won't have interest in it, and will find something else ... like ... PLEASURE! Thus, muscle cars

Fourth, the car industry is pretty competitive ... and the competition is about price, fuel economy, security, etc ... AND prestige! thus, fast muscle cars.

This is the reason why I still think (hope) that a Z28 550+hp will be done quite soon. Maybe not as a wide serie, but at least as a special car to show in magazines.

Fbod told us to keep the faith ... Let's say he doesn't have an interest into looking like a liar here ... or anywhere else.

All that being said, I don't know, nobody knows, maybe even fbod doesn't really knows.

It's funny, but just from the few sources I listen to, it seems like the whole "Green" thing is really non-existant in a way. I mean, first, it seemed one would hear one side saying NO DRILLING ANYWHERE ELSE and now, with gas prices what they were/are those same ones are turning around. It's a green thing when it's convenient however, when times get rough, it's like FORGET IT. I agree with a lot of your post though (not that you needed my validation...)

Originally Posted by Punk_rider

Especially if we all check our tire pressure!

WTF was up with this? Did anyone get that Youtube with the editor and chief of C&D or MT or whatever poopy rag'? I really liked what he had to say and his facts and numbers, and I don't really usually car what he says...

Originally Posted by Matster

I'm sure this has been pointed out before but if so I'll throw it in again as my 2 cents worth.

Here is the problem as I see it and this is based on a Canadian perspective and pricing.

A Cobra GT 500 pretty much load up runs anywhere from 65K - 75K CAD. Logic would say that for the same hp in the Camaro (Z28) the price range is most likely going to be close. So then the question the consumer has gotta be ask his/herself is do I buy a Z28 or an entry level Vette? From GM's side of things I'm sure that a Camaro and a Vette in the same price range is gonna cause some infighting.

So let say for arguement sake the Z28 gets the green light, how many of you are willing to pay 60K USD?
Yes there are those of US that would jump on it with both feet, but we are the minority. Don't misunderstand me, I want a Z28 with 550hp and am willing(within reason) to pay the price but right now GM has to be looking at the bottom line and what they can and can't sell in mass numbers. If they had labelled the SS the Z28 instead, would we even be having this conversation?

As for the whole logic behind the SS, "in keeping with other GM vehicle lines" well that is just crap. I can hardly wait for the Corvette SS, NOT! So why would anyone who understands the Camaro culture think that this would be OK? Tell me that it is in keeping with the original 1st gen and I can buy that, tradition, heritage, that's cool. Anything else and you are just out of touch with your customer and truly don't understand that the Camaro isn't just another car, it is a legacy with deep rooted heritage.

As for me, I am going with the SS and will void my warrantee in order to get the 550hp....unless GM offers a package from the factory, nudge, nudge.

Are you sheeting me?! Wow! That's crazy. Forgive me, but is your currency worth more than ours, or standard of living higher to make it that much more? That's just crazy...

Originally Posted by Hylton

What Mats is saying is that the car is 75K US here. We have a problem here with GM price gouging Canadians.

Can't you come down here to buy your cars without penalties?