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Originally Posted by lbls1
I'm not sure where this chart was generated from, but do yourself a favor; Visit any Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, or Acura dealer. Accord and Civics are flying out of their showroom doors. No problem. Toyota is still selling 200,000 or more units of Camry without a glitch.
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Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd
I agree. Toyota and Honda have no problem selling sedans. Until Covid and the crazy prices the last few years their annual sales have been pretty stable other than some natural variability that I attribute to gas price changes. When gas is high those two cars tend to do well and when prices fall there’s a shift towards bigger less fuel efficient vehicles.
GMs problem is they don’t manufacture sedans people want to buy. They just don’t want to admit nobody wants their sedans.
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Camry and Accord sales are down 16% and 30% YTD through Q3 respectively. Sonata is down 56%. The only two midsize sedans to post gains were Malibu and Altima and both had terrible 2021 sales, likely due to production issues. I'd also wager a good chunk of these sales are going to fleet.
The market isn't there anymore. I support GM keeping Malibu in production and building a production FNR-XE, but let's not pretend the sedan market in the US is still healthy by any means.