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Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Good morning. I want to take a moment to say that you and I have gone back and forth on this topic for quite some time now, and during that time you have been polite and kept the discussion centered around the topic, never straying into personal attacks. That's one reason I enjoy our exchanges. I hope I've done the same in my interactions with you.

Now to your data.

First, although on a personal level I trust that you're honestly presenting data, I maintain that you have an inherent professional bias. This is what you do for a living and it would be unwise to post on a public forum anything that isn't in accord with your company's position on EVs.

The funny thing is people in the EV circles that I travel in think I’m a knuckle dragging carbon snorting Neanderthal because I drive a 500+ hp V8 and do race car stuff with my MR2 and because I expect the ICE to be around well beyond our lifetimes. People in my Camaro circles (except my Camaro Club) think I’m a tree hugging ban-the-ICE radical because I hold the position that EVs will evolve to be able to do everything ICE can do except make noise. The truth of who I am lies somewhere squarely in the middle. My company’s position on EV is very similar to my own…”it is what it is”. I don’t often comment on what I want the future to be, I comment on where the data is telling us it will land. I like cars. Doesn’t matter much to me if they are high horsepower V8s (got one) or boosted L4s (got one) or EVs (had one, getting another soon).

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

Second, I respectfully decline to accept data that is not publicly available, nor do I accept an argument that essentially says, I'm an expert, you're not, I have data that's not available to you and I expect you to accept that data as a part of my position.

Hopefully you’ve noticed that I don’t bring out S&P Global data all the time (I could). Mostly when people are hammering hard on information that is demonstrably wrong or when people push to know my source(s) of data. Our data is very much publicly available, but more because so many media presences buy it, analyze it and spin it under their own banner. This issue arose because I said that Tesla Model Y is the best selling vehicle in the world. You called me out on that. Either one of us could have simply googled the term “best selling vehicle in the world 2023” and gotten a full page of articles that would have headlined “Tesla Model Y….”

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

I do believe you're an expert in this field, but as a matter of principle I do not accept arguments that require me to accept something on faith. Cite an independent source, with links, and I'll acknowledge that you're correct. Post pictures of things on your desktop that I can't verify and I won't.

Always your prerogative. As an automotive consultant I on occasion have clients pay me for research and advice and then choose to not believe it. My feelings remain intact. As a consultant my job is to tell clients what we believe is happening and suggest approaches for dealing with it, not just to tell them what they want to hear or what they wish to be true. I have a saying I use with the team that works for me. “You know you’re good at your job when you can tell somebody their baby is ugly without getting punched in the face”. I have yet to get punched in the face.