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Originally Posted by Nataphen
I’m not necessarily saying it’s equivalent subsidization at this given moment, I’m saying that it isn’t out of line in my mind when you’re talking about subsidies for electric cars and the requisite infrastructure to hope to compete with ICE options with a one hundred year head start, much of which was helped by subsidies all along the way. If EVs are going to be a player, they’re going to need help. Think of the early adopters of EVs. Who’s going to buy a car that has no fueling infrastructure, that you can only reliably fuel overnight at home, and is limited to 100-200 mile round trips if you’re lucky? Rich people who can buy a new gadget or toy. The incentives helped sell the earlier expensive options so that the development could be made more affordable in the future. Now you can buy one for the price of the average vehicle. New tech pretty much always starts as an option for only the wealthy and elite. Since this technology was something that pointed to a cleaner transportation option, the government felt that it was worthwhile to boost demand for it. I don’t think that was incorrect personally.
Electricity production in the US is still about half fossil fuel, so those subsidies for fossil fuels apply to helping with electricity costs also. When you have a greener energy option from the electricity provider, even with subsidies, the cost is usually higher, so the take rate isn’t going to be as high. Again, newer tech that’s more expensive to produce, at least for the time being. To switch more people over to cleaner options we will have to put some extra tax money into it. I know some don’t agree that it’s the right thing to do, but it is required in order for it to succeed.
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I disagree and think EV is well past the early adopters and doesn't need help. 3 and Y are into their mainstream. For several years, a lot of the easy new dollars went to Tesla stock. Wealthy Elites use investment as a tool toward their goals. Tesla will be fine if they screw up some models.
If they are worried about infrastructure, green investors are hype buying fools for not putting their $chips on Voltec.
Elite and wealthy circles taking prerogative away from the masses to push their values is the crux of this issue.
Recent polling that helps highlight differences has been going around:
https://highlandcountypress.com/opin...-war#gsc.tab=0
quote: "To illustrate the scale of the gap between the elite 1 percent and the rest of the country, consider the elite 1 percent’s views on climate issues (and understand that these ideas are opposed by 63 percent to 83 percent of most Americans):
• 77 percent of the elite 1 percent would like to impose strict restrictions and rationing on the private use of gas, meat, and electricity.
• 72 percent of the elite 1 percent favor banning gas-powered vehicles.
• 69 percent of the elite 1 percent favor banning gas stoves.
• 58 percent of the elite 1 percent favor of banning sport utility vehicles.
• 55 percent of the elite 1 percent favor banning non-essential air travel.
• 53 percent of the elite 1 percent favor banning private air conditioning."