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Originally Posted by UCF w00t
Funny how you change your tune. GM never stated nor acknowledged that it, in fact, is a heat treating issue. In fact, I'm not sure they even said it was the output shaft. Scott said it was a "supplier issue" but that's it.
Like I said, they aren't randomly putting these things in. It's not like they're "shuffling" them up. There's a time frame where they got a bad batch (in house or outside supplier). They built a certain range of transmissions in that time frame. Those transmissions went into specific cars. This isn't that hard. I've got a good job now. Why would I want to take a pay cut to move to cold ass Michigan where I have no family and friends (and no beach!) working for a company whose future is anything but certain? Come on now. Stop being ridiculous. You asked that I provide suggestions, I'm doing that. You have yet to offer a single suggestion of what we can reasonably do to remedy this.
People asked for deadlines. Scott refused to provide them. Tran's post clearly states "hopefully within the next two weeks." How in the hell do you go from 2 weeks to 4 months and think that's OK?
If GM needs to issue a TSB and contact all ~10k or so of those people and ask them to bring their cars in for a look, that's what they need to do. I don't have their contact information, GM does. They could easily create an automated mailer to send out to those owners. I know for a fact that they have that capability.
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Thank God there are concerned Camaro owners like you in this forum. Thanks UCF w00t for bringing up all the points I would like to bring up as well about this. There is no need for me to regurgitate other than to
your posts.
So we get a little tidbit of information more. Tremec got the bad batch of shafts from one of their suppliers. Well, then GM better be coordinating with Tremec (and 4 1/2 months is a long time) and letting them know which parts were affected so they can pull up on their databases which batch of shafts got put in them when they built the things. So far there should be enough Camaro's affected with this problem to be able to coordinate a data gathering mission to get to the bottom of this. And "we the people", who now are owners of GM technically shouldn't be left in the dark about this. Especially owners of the product... We don't need excuses anymore from camarospike as to how little an amount of time 4 months is and how appropriate it is for GM not to give us any information at all officially. I know there are more of us here in this forum interested in this topic, just not everyone has the time to check everyday and post their concerns. Camarospike, please stop taking me and ucfwoot's comments as attacks against you or GM, it is not at all. Focus on the solution and what can be done within our limits. If GM is not cooperating with us, then we have to be tough with GM, you have to question what they are doing instead of always defending them no matter what friends or connections you or this forum has. We cannot gather all the information and think we can do a better job than GM can at figuring this out, nor is it our jobs. I tried many times in older posts to gather vin data only to have those threads locked. I have called GM's customer service asking about this issue and never ever received a call back. It is time we stand together and quit the bickering over nonsense. WE have a problem, it is a serious issue, it can potentially be fatal if it occurs at the wrong time.
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Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23
what are you going to do when you get T-boned by an oncoming vehicle that runs a red light? maybe GM should have started building Sherman tanks for everyone to drive. 
the shaft breaking does not directly lead to a safety issue. yes, you can think of a hundred examples where it would be unfortunate for it to fail. just as you can probably think of a hundred examples where any other part on the car failing could be just as bad. say you seized a rod and locked up the engine and stopped in traffic? or you hit a pothole and blew two tires out.
I understand your point on the safety issue. but picking one specific scenario isnt the same as needing a safety recal. now if it were something like SUV's rolling over on slight turns, or Firestone tires blowing out at high speed, thats one thing, but the output shaft snapping and leaving you stranded is not a safety issue. it could lead to a bad situation, but the shaft itself is not a safety issue.
the vin range is not going to be precise. because, say the range is from 5k to 20k. thats 15k cars. say about half are m6's. so that gives us 8k cars give or take. their vins range from 5k to 20k... say 3 of those cars are affected. you cant get that precise without pointing out the specific vins of those cars. not every transmission on the assembly line was made in chronological order. meaning that you could have two m6's built one after the other, and one gets a good trans and the other gets a bad trans. thats what GM is working on now. trying to track down the transmissions. its not an easy process to do. The vin's are assigned after the body shop. the transmissions are stamped with a number that corresponds to the vin. but to find which ones specifically are bad from those numbers is not easy. it takes time. in the mean time, enjoy the car. if it breaks, the warranty is there.
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No need to belittle me on being concerned for my and everyone elses safety. The difference between this issue and everything else in the car that can fail, is that this is a known problem which can be fixed with a recall and replacement of the bad shaft before it occurs. Gm should think about losing money replacing them before someone gets killed..
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Originally Posted by UCF w00t
If GM needs to issue a TSB and contact all ~10k or so of those people and ask them to bring their cars in for a look, that's what they need to do. I don't have their contact information, GM does. They could easily create an automated mailer to send out to those owners. I know for a fact that they have that capability.
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Amen to that..