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Originally Posted by truth411
Great job ford!! BUUUUUUUUTTTTTT, I am going to assume the following. FORD FANS SAY GOODBYE TO AFTERMARKET SUPERCHARGERS OR ANY TYPE OF FORCE INDUCTION FOR THE V8!! From my understanding the cyote is:
A. 5.0 DOHC 32 V8
B. 7000rpm Redline
C. 412hp around 6500rpm 
D. THEREFORE it most likely have a comprestion ratio of 11.0 to 1!!!!!!!
It is really expensive to get more power out of an OHC design and keep it N.A. Therefore most ford fans have been adding blowers, but with this new motor not as blower friendly as I am predicting. The 2011 mustang may have an advantage stock depending on how much it weighs, But mod for mod and dollar for dollar, The LS3 still have a significant advantage. Before the blue boys were adding blowers to compete, but what will ford GT fans do now to add a significant amount of performance to the 2011 mustang since it has a very highly tuned v8, which make blowers not much of an option any more??? |
In 2007 Saleen made P. Jones Edition Mustang and including with 3.73 in the package it has these things:
1) 10.5:1 compression ratio
2) actual crank 370hp
3) 5.0 3v
4) 6500rpm redline
Now with that said, an all new engine all-together to feature newer technologies, with new characteristics, superior 4v compared to the P.Jones's 3v........ I guess I dont see why some people think this engine does have room to grow in terms of modification. Like mentioned before by someone else on here, the limitation of torque is usually bearing on displacment on NA engines. well the P.Jones and 2011 isnt too far apart on torque. I would put the extra hp on the 4v as an excuse. But saying a blower and etc is a no-no, is out there.
The LS3 has an 10.7:1 ratio, and if the ratio is similar to the P.Jones then the 2011 GT will have slightly less. And the last time I checked people on here are using Maggies and etc. And it been mentioned that Whipple has been in the loop with developing a blower anyway.
Not to mention I have a set of 4.10s that I been meaning to put into my 2001, and with the 8.8 still in the house; about any tom, dick, and harry blue collar can have these cheap gears installed. I cant say so much for the 2010 Camaro's current gear offerings in or over the $700 range (thanx, Linger). So much for money mod for mod.
And for the sake of arguement and to put my 2 cents in the hat:
-Using an official Saleen/P.Jones quoted 1/4 time of
12.9 sec & 109 mph
http://www.seriouswheels.com/cars/to...on-Mustang.htm
-Similar equipment (brembos, and struts, etc) most likely a similar curb weight of 3556lbs, but add 100lbs for the naysayer for a total of
3656lbs
-3.73 gearing
Ok at this point it looks like 2010 Camaro and 2011 is on a even playing field, but.........
The 2011 Coyote does have more power than the P.Jones. So I can see that 12.9 coming down a tenth or two. Factor in the ease of a launch on a solid axle.........starting to sound like even the most average drive could give the best driver in a Camaro a run for his money. So to be fair I think these car are going to be a drivers race.
And like I said, the "Camaro will beat the Mustang Mod for Mod" arguement is weak. Off the top of my head I can see $700 buying gears, UDPs, and a CAI. $700 doesnt even buy the Camaro gears, and most CAI are above $300. So I wouldnt go there on that.