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Originally Posted by nallen00
I've actually made a conscious effort to exclude you from this, but OK.
The gains are dyno verified, so there's nothing to hype. And there has never been a claim of increased power for stock LLTs. Instead of arguing with either of you, I conceded that there could be a problem, and waited for Vince to return. When Vince contacted me, I discussed your posts with him, and this was his response:
"I’m not surprised. I warned them ahead of time that there was no guarantee we’d see any gains in power at all, only that we’d tune it to the best of our ability based on the information we have. The LLT tune is viable now – we’re remote-tuning an LLT Camaro with twin turbos on it. We have dyno sheets proving a 20HP gain on the test car we used." - 01FEB10
Vince was aware of the group buy and ARH testing before he left...but...since the programming was still very new at the time, I took you at your word that there could be an issue with the tune. I later discovered that there wasn't, and that's what we're discussing now. We did, however, discuss not selling the tune to stock LLT owners, and that has been my position since posting the GB.
- Nate
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The gains were on a car with an AFTERMARKET INTAKE! I know EXACTLY what was said between Vince and myself! I was fully aware that there might be ZERO gains and I was perfectly FINE putting down my hard earned CASH knowing full well I might not see and dang thing!
Problem is every one jumped all over that 20 HP gains ignoring that fact that the car had and aftermarket intake and and possibly crappy gas!
And I'm not talking about the ARH/Tune group buy... I'm talking about the original TUNE group buy that was setup... I sure don't remember ANYONE saying oh, by the way might not see ANY gain! I don't remember anyone discussing THAT in THIS forum until Beauwulf and I spoke up!!! I don't think ANYONE was going to plop down $$$$ for no gains!
Like I said, Beauwulf and I were completely HAPPY waiting and giving Vince time he to digest everything until IMHO you came in here and stirred every thing up!