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Old 04-30-2010, 02:20 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by dms View Post
It is my opinion if you are going to road race and subject your Camaro to hours and hours, of off the charts stress, with R compound tires, I would recommend a strut mount brace. But lets be logical on a street driven, and lets say a VERY aggressive street driven or even an occassional track day. Will you see a difference?

So lets think about it. In a full drift mode, it appears that there was close to 2mm change in the bracket. And lets assume that change was in fact the accumulation of changes in both the inner strut towers. So both the strut tower moved a total of .078 inches. So lets say each strut tower moved .040 inches. This is about the gap of a average spark plug. Now what does that mean in terms of alignment changes?

So the upper strut bushing moves .040 inches and it is SAY 2 FEET from the actual balljoint. So I can do the math, but the actual movement of the tire/alignment might be .002 to .005 inches. that might make a camber change of .001 degrees, which no alignment machine in the country could measure. So the actual effect or influence of the controlling the upper movement in almost not even measureable or noticable. If you are noticing it, it is the same issue as when I wash my car and it looks pretty, which makes it drive better.

Whether you use Pedder, or any other suspension company out there, I think it is more prudent to invest your hard earned money on other upgrades that will make an actual handling difference. Granted it does look pretty cool. So if you are looking to make your engine compartment cooler, get it.

Now there are many cars out there that just aggressive street driving will permenantly alter the upper strut towers with negative affects. The 2010 Camaro is not one of those. This is the reason Pedders did not waste its time on R&D for them because we do make strut tower braces. It is also the same reason we do not make a front lower control arm bushing. The OE unit works perfect in all driving conditions. This is also the reason we do not make a lower outer rear control arm bushing like others do because this bushing is seriously stoutly, and we cannot improve on it.

So for $300+ there are a lot of upgrades that should be done that you can actually make a significant difference.

Thanks
mike
dms
All due respect, there are so many assumptions that are wrong with your math I do not know where to start to address it. It is unfortunate that you seem to be missing the point, not to mention the fundamental concept of chassis bracing, and vehicle dynamics in general. As an actual engineering company, we offer our customers the satisfaction of knowing we have done the design an analysis necessary to justify a components design and strength. While I appreciate the challenge of conveying valuable information to you, I am afraid your argument is circular in nature and unfortunately there is no amount of evidence that will satisfy you. Agree to disagree I guess. I'm glad all the other manufacturers understand.
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