Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com - View Single Post

mrray13 · 06-19-2010, 11:49 AM

I think we are getting closer here. We need to drop the urge for blood when answers will do. It would be nice if LPE and STS would update the situation, and be honest about it, even if that means no FI for awhile.

That said, if we get an answer we don't like, we have to take it for what it is, the truth. Manufacturer's aren't going to take the time to develop something for us if all they get is grief and bullshit during the process. Now, if they bring something to market and it's wrong, and can be proven wrong, they can be fair game until they fix it, ala another issue. But when they fix it, we have to move on. We don't tend to do that. That scares, bothers, pisses off the other manufacturers. Time we grow up a bit.

All that said, while the LLT isn't exactly new, it's new to people who want to wring every bit of performance out of it. The CTS crowd doesn't head to the strip unless they are in the V, and even then, I've never seen on at the track. Those cars are "Here I am, this is my status" cars. Australia seems to be our best bet for parts. I would think that someone here could bring some of those products to market here to help out. I guess due to different standards with emissions and things, some of them aren't going to be compatible.

As to the tuning, I'll agree Vince might not have it all worked out yet, but he does have enough done to tweak the basics. I gained ~5rwhp with his tune and my mods. He brought my timing and AFR into line, like devildoc stated, and basicly optimized what I had installed. Torque? I gained 1. Yep, like scrming alluded too, that seems to be the biggest area on lockdown. Again though, we have all agreed a tune isn't the way to gain horsepower on this car, but rather optimize what mods you do do, and you will gain a little more in the process. I do think Vince has the box cracked enough for some boost, or the STS/AAC car wouldn't run at all, ala Leno's car from what I hear. That should be proof enough that a basic tune is available and viable, it just isn't fully complete.

Whew.....that was a lot!!

06-19-2010, 11:49 AM	#50
mrray13 Drives: 2010 1LT RS Rally Yellow Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: southern Illinois Posts: 2,973	I think we are getting closer here. We need to drop the urge for blood when answers will do. It would be nice if LPE and STS would update the situation, and be honest about it, even if that means no FI for awhile. That said, if we get an answer we don't like, we have to take it for what it is, the truth. Manufacturer's aren't going to take the time to develop something for us if all they get is grief and bullshit during the process. Now, if they bring something to market and it's wrong, and can be proven wrong, they can be fair game until they fix it, ala another issue. But when they fix it, we have to move on. We don't tend to do that. That scares, bothers, pisses off the other manufacturers. Time we grow up a bit. All that said, while the LLT isn't exactly new, it's new to people who want to wring every bit of performance out of it. The CTS crowd doesn't head to the strip unless they are in the V, and even then, I've never seen on at the track. Those cars are "Here I am, this is my status" cars. Australia seems to be our best bet for parts. I would think that someone here could bring some of those products to market here to help out. I guess due to different standards with emissions and things, some of them aren't going to be compatible. As to the tuning, I'll agree Vince might not have it all worked out yet, but he does have enough done to tweak the basics. I gained ~5rwhp with his tune and my mods. He brought my timing and AFR into line, like devildoc stated, and basicly optimized what I had installed. Torque? I gained 1. Yep, like scrming alluded too, that seems to be the biggest area on lockdown. Again though, we have all agreed a tune isn't the way to gain horsepower on this car, but rather optimize what mods you do do, and you will gain a little more in the process. I do think Vince has the box cracked enough for some boost, or the STS/AAC car wouldn't run at all, ala Leno's car from what I hear. That should be proof enough that a basic tune is available and viable, it just isn't fully complete. Whew.....that was a lot!!