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Originally Posted by chain777
I was originally going to post this in the mega thread, but I didn't want it to get lost too fast in all the noise. It will probably end up there anyway, but hopefully we can discuss this with some level of maturity before it gets demoted to the mega thread:
Well, the house is a mess. Isn't the "other cars" section the proper place? Why relegate the Mustang to one big useless thread in this section? I don't see any other cars treated that way. I've never been to a Mustang site where all the Camaro threads were dumped into one unreadable thread. They seem to deal with it there, I don't see why it can't be dealt with here as well. It feels like you don't want to acknowledge the Mustangs existence, so let's throw any mention of it in the trash can labeled "Mustang Mega thread".
Any meaningful comparison between the two cars is completely lost for anyone wanting any real information. I hope that's not the agenda here.
It's too bad we can't have any real conversation here without the fan-boy flamers (from both sides), bringing these threads to to a nut swinging contest. If I was a mod here, I'd concentrate on shutting down the flamers that bring nothing to a conversion other than to stir it up. It's not too hard to see who they are.
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I have to say that, all the 'hooray for my side' banter aside, I agree. Unfortunately I think that the mods, for the most part, really are trying to be even handed...I just think that the solution they came up with is wanting. Even worse, I think this solution actually encourages the bad manners they are trying to prevent.
My take is that, like every other community, C5 developed a small community of folks who are interested in every car but have a particular allegiance to a car not the focus of this forum. That means that, just like every other forum, C5 developed a group of regular posters who don't see the Camaro through the rosey-eyed glasses most folks here do.
In my experience this either adds to the interest of the forum or creates a problem largely depending upon how the
mods handle the situation. Here at C5 I think we saw a bit of a conundrum where you could almost see the mods saying "the Camaro loyalist is actually being the jerk in this discussion, but how can we side with the 'opposition' being that this is a Camaro forum?" So, the guy with the bad manners often got a very obvious pass because of his allegiance. I think this unfortunately encouraged some bad behavior on the home teams part because they began to think they could get away with murder so to speak, and it likewise encouraged bad behavior on what might have been more level headed contributors with outside loyalties because of a perceived injustice.
Ultimately I think this all started because the wrong question was asked. Civil discussion and manners always have to come first in any language based venue or you will have a breakdown of order to some extent or another, trust me I assure you I know that at least as well as anybody here and most likely better due to a career choice I made. The first question should be "who is being the a-hole here", and you have to act based upon that because the whole point is civil discourse. Enforcing the same doesn't mean they aren't your buddy, it doesn't even mean that you don't agree with their point, it means you value order and understand that you cannot move forward with it. Of course the issue of whether somebody is trolling or not also has to come into the equation as well, but I don't think troll enforcement was really an issue here before the above problem created so many others so I don't have much to say there.
Ultimately I think things like the mega-thread seek to solve a problem by avoiding the problem that created this whole mess in the first place. You can't give somebody a pass on manners because they are on the same side as you, it just wont work and it always opens a can of worms you will eventually discover you don't want or need.