Well, I have trolled on this forum for over a year and have not felt the need to join until now. I just have to give my two cents in all of this.
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Originally Posted by fastball
What I am saying is that EVERY car GM builds should not have a single compromise. And if costs can't be kept down, perhaps it's a good thing for GM to go ch. 11 to get their costs in line with competitors which would otherwise be impossible with union contracts and such.
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First show me any car that has “no compromises” for under 40K? To me a great built car with padded interior panels and with mediocre performance does not qualify as no compromises. Maybe to those who could care less about speed and performance it doesn’t matter but to me it does. I know many will throw out the 370Z as an example but I just don’t agree that it is perfect and feel it has compromises like any other mass produced car available to the general public.
I have owned and still own two Camaros. A second gen and fourth gen. Like any car that evolved through the years the changes and characteristics of the car were not always perfect especially considering the ever increasing safety and emission standards as the years progressed but the Camaro always stayed true to its pony car roots.
I am a car guy to the core and so I realize that my views will be criticized by many, so be it. To me the Camaro has always remained true to being unique. This has been its saving grace and its downfall through the years. The Mustang I feel had better sales in history because it is closer to a traditional car in its seating position and general ergonomics compared to the Camaro. The Camaro always has had a certain feel to it the no other car offered. I feel the 5th gen is no different. My only concern is whether there are enough people around in today’s cookie cutter society to appreciate the Camaro. With that in mind I would rather see the 5th gen come and fail than have GM, Scott, and the rest of the team make the Camaro something it is not meant to be to appeal to those who have no understanding of a cars personality. We have enough boring made from the same mold cars out there that do this and I would rather not see the Camaro insulted. All things considered the 5th Gen is as good as a CAMARO can be. If this Gen Camaro is not accepted it is because its kind is no longer wanted and there are not enough people around to appreciate what it is and what it means to own one. This probably sounds ridiculous to those who are concerned about vanity mirrors and how much work they have to do to move the seat forward. I want GM to make a rebound and come back strong, don’t get me wrong, but I am glad through all this they have a team that knows how to build an American Muscle Car and make no compromises in that area.
I know I am probably a minority in my opinions because I feel us American Muscle Car “fanboys” like our “Kool-Aid” so much. I am part of this group that is shunned by most in today car buying society. For my old school outdated opinion there is no foreign car that has ever nor will ever compete with what it is like to own and care for an American Muscle Car like the Camaro. This includes the look and feel of the car and what it is like to hear the rumble and power of a V8. I realize there are many foreign cars that can be compared to the camaro in horsepower and performance but for me I only like the way an American V8 achieves this feat. I take pride having owned Camaros and am very excited to see the name reborn and alive back on the streets in the form of a new and brilliantly executed form.
I am very passionate about the Camaro and it is difficult to not be insulted by some comments made in this thread not only about the Camaro but how Scott has been treated by some. To me it just shows a lack of understanding and respect that I suppose just does not exist anymore. Times have changed a lot and I really hope the new Camaro still has its place. With a lot of the comments I have seen made on this forum I have some doubts but still remain optimistic overall.
I am sure I will get flamed and many will explain why my “fanboy” views are wrong and there are things I need to understand. This is the main reason I have never joined. With the statements made in this thread I don’t care anymore. I am proud of the Camaro and wish it well.
Thanks Scott for all of your work and dedication to the car and your commitment to all of us in the Camaro community.
I also appreciate Number 3’s input and defense of the car. It is clear that driving the 5th gen is more than just a job to you and you take pride in the car.