lol naw its all good we can debate all anyone wants lol just ran into a buddy of mine with a 2010 auto camaro with headers, tune, cam, and stall running 11.8's. Also remeber with a good driver behind the wheel the new stock camaros are running equal times to a stock 4th gen from what i saw at the event, and with eddie's being stock running what he did proves my point even more. They arent as far apart as everyone or at least most people think.