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Originally Posted by gtahvit

OK, I've read every single post in this thread.

I must say that this has largely been a productive conversation.

So let me say a few things.

One: GM has zero control of what dealers do with the cars they are allocated.

Two: If you don't like a dealer's sales practices, lack of knowledge, inability to cooperate, or just lack of plain ol' professionalism then walk. Trust me, the worst thing you can do to a dealer is not buy their product and tell other people why they should not do business there.

Three: This kind of situation is precisely why we don't endorse dealers here at Camaro5. All it takes is one member to have a bad experience with an "endorsed" dealer and Camaro5 now has to take a stance either for the dealer or for the member. Imagine what that thread would be like on this site...

Four: In truth, we see dealer participation on this site as a constant problem. One dealer has been fired, possibly a second. One dealer caused a HEEEEUUUUUUGGE. Controversy that later turned out to be completely the opposite of what they claimed. We've had Dealers argue with eachother publicly on the boards. We had another dealer post what GM considered proprietary in formation in which we had to jump through many hoops to insure GM didn't sick the lawyers on us. We've even had a dealer, who is a member here, bad mouth Camaro5 on another site... And the list goes on and on

Five: The benefit of having dealers here is obvious. They provide us real information that is extremely valuable to our members and that offsets, at least partially, the complications that arise from having many of them here.

Six: Make no mistake, Every single dealer here is trying to make money. Every one. Luckily for our members, the information on this site has made us the most informed consumers any dealer has had to deal with. Good for us, bad for them. You are responsible not to let any dealer rip you off. Refer to number two in this list. If you even smell something that literally doesn't add up. Get up, and walk out or hang up the phone. Call the manager and tell them why you won't do business with them and go somewhere else. But, do not get sucked in to the "Come on back in" line. (Sorry Dan) But this is the worst thing you can do with a dealer. You, the consumers, are the only ones that can hold a dealer accountable for their inability to meet your needs. Once you make up your mind to walk, you have to stick with that and go some where else.

That's about all I can think of. I'm not gonna close this as everyone has heeded our warning and played nice. Disagreed? For sure. But been respectful in the process.

Keep it that way or let it die.