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Old 12-13-2011, 12:08 AM   #18
JusticePete
 
Drives: Camaro Justice
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes View Post
From my experience with disc brakes in other industries, this is due to crappy design, although when you're using a pad that wasn't originally designed for the brakes, all bets are off and you are probably going to get some interesting squeals.

There's always been some difference between a little bit of noise, squeal, and crazy noise accompanied with vibrations. I'd assume it was toward the bad side of things with the OEM calipers, which are off-the-shelf brembo products adapted for our cars.

The problem is that a frequency is allowed to propagate and resonate. If we know the exact combination of components, metals, sizes/shapes, and how they contribute to alowing the frequency to propagate, it's easy to fix in the design process. But, we can't change the caliper, and in the process it was probably determined that it's easier/cheaper to add the weights to the pads/caliper than to redesign anything else, like the mounts/interfaces/rotors/axles, etc.

In other motorsports, people sometimes have to resort to attaching fishing-weights and other things to the caliper to achieve the same result, so this is by no means isolated to the camero. In some of those situations though, it was the result of some pretty crappy engineering by the brake company, due to how many instances of installation caused massive squeal/vibrations. I actually had this myself with a 4-piston brake and it was crazy, I eventually ended up getting different rotors, which fixed the problem on this installation. This company is notorious IMO though for poor testing/QC, as I've had fairly consistant issues with them when you add it all up over the years.

If the system really is designed correctly, it shouldn't do this. It's not the "sign of high performance brakes", and I HIGHLY doubt you get a nice porsche or bmw and the brakes are going to be squealing. If they did their homework, no, there should be no significant sound comming from there. Sometimes when I put in new pads I get some light squeal as they are bedding in, but that's more like the first instance I described above, not major squeal and definitely not vibration. I can see this happening more if you are using AFTERMARKET pads, maybe not tested/balanced out for the system or they only work properly when they get hot enough, but I've never seen any descently designed brake system that makes excess noise. Again, all bets are off when you change out parts in the system, and it's relatively easy to make an aftermarket part that increases performance in one area and makes some sacrifices, but to increase performance with no or minimal sacrifices is a much greater challenge.
I was 100% with you until you got to the Porsche or BMW.




Default Brake Noise...

Been reading through a bunch of Cayenne threads and have noticed a recurring theme. Complaints on brake noise. Of course, the higher performance brakes, the more noise is to be expected but I have a trick I wanted share that always helps when I have noisy brakes..

Don't be a candy ass. Your Cayenne brakes probably need a good heat cycle. I want you to go out, drive your car like a banshee.
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