[camero]

Originally Posted by sbg

Once again, my biggest complaint is the back bumper and those backup lights. The flush, clean concept rear end is so much better. That lower buldge in the bumper is dumb. GM, are you listening

The bumper was necessary to meet the 5mph crash standard that GM uses. The lights were put there because there was no other place that was legal and acceptable. Sorry. We knew it didn't look perfect, but there was no other choice. The location that we had planned didn't work out. The ones you see are an actual mistake. We can admit that.

Originally Posted by GameOv3r

... And those hideous headlights...don't even get me started. GM if you read this, I KNOW what you're thinking and going with these headlights and you better wipe those THOUGHTS out of your MIND. ..

You're going to like the real headlights.

Originally Posted by KILLER74Z28

I’m still suspect…

Ha!

Originally Posted by camaro10

One question, What's up with the grille? Could this be a V6 grille with the V8 being the single slot grille like the concept? I'm not likeing this grille as much so I'm hopeing that's the case.

I was wondering if anyone was going to say anything about that ugly grill!

Originally Posted by DGthe3

It is absolutely horrible that general motors would ever let this happen to the Camaro. Those lights look hidious and because of them I will refuse to buy the new Camaro. I'm sorry, but thats it for me. And if that wasn't bad enough then there is also the gas cap. It has ruined the entire look of the car. And the paint is awful. Why in the hell would GM ever do that? The beautiful lines of the car can hardly be seen

So hilarious!!! I love you!

Originally Posted by sbg

What's worse is those of you who assume that GM is making changes for good reasons. NOPE. On what basis do you make such an assumption?...None....just 'cause you like GM, or something silly like that. Someone on this thread said it right...it's about money! It would cost them too much to put that gas cap on top. The change to the rear bumper and the backup lights....that's just poor choices by GM designers. And no, don't post giving me some made up reasons as to why they had to do that, like to meet some code, etc. We all know they can design just about anything they want. The change to the rear bumper and the placement of the backup lights was a design change. A very poor design change at that. I say to GM...make it like the concept! Sure, change the things you have to, but not those that you don't.

Again, nobody wanted to change ANYthing on the concept car to put it in production. The orders from above were to make it possible to produce with as few changes as possible. Any changes that were made were to make it legal, practical, productionable, and affordable. If not for the changes the car wouldn't exist. Sorry, but that's the truth.

Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

I think a great deal of us are a little perterbed at some of the recent changes we've seen. What makes it even more difficult for us, is that no one is explaining the reasoning behind those changes. If we were told a b-pillar was to be put in for crash test safety standards and ultimately less weight, that would make a lot more sense than either not being told anything at all, or being told some off the wall reason that someone here thought up. (I'm using this as an example...please, let's not rehash this topic!!!) When it comes to this gas cap, it was a beautiful thing. It was changed and there's no finite reason from GM why it was changed. People speculate it was because doors get hit when exiting at the fuel pumps and also because of potential spillage ruining the paint. What if there is a bonified reason why the location was changed???

Yes, there's a reason that practically all cars have B pillars and normal gas caps. Lots of reasons that all add up actually. They are engineering requirements, not design decisions. It's very difficult and expensive to get around stuff like that. AudiTT's are like $45,000 for a car that's just a VW Golf with fancy stuff like aluminum gas caps all over it. And even it has fixed rear windows which make its absence of b-pillars pointless.

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

Some keep talking aboput a 5 MPH hit to the rear. That standard never existed, it is and has been for many years a 2 1/2 MPH impact. ... One reason for the loctation change for the Gas cap, and this is just speculation on my part, is maybe the top fender location was not going to be safe in a rollover accident, it could be torn from the car creating a gasoline spill and potential fireball...

GM uses a 5mph standard to keep our customer's insurance rates lower. And there are a lot of other reasons filler doors are on the side.

Originally Posted by Jak

Personally, I'm not having a problem with what I'm seeing on this car. There's still a lot of time till actual production and if people would take a deep breath, step back a moment and remember that what we're seeing is a MULE, yes, it's getting very close to what the production will look like but it's still a mule. . a very, very sharp looking mule . There's still changes to be made, like the headlights and I hope and pray to the GM Gods that they'll move the freaking filler location to the left side for the US cars since we drive on the normal side of the road

Well it's a lot more than a mule! More of an IVER build (Integration Vehicle Engineering Release) and no the gas cap is not still moving! Its location was fixed at least two years ago! I've been designing and driving cars for many years and have never noticed any pattern to their location. I think that they are randomly placed on either side to break up the flow of traffic at gas stations. http://ask.metafilter.com/18864/Gas-...ars-which-side Demanding it on one side or the other is not very encouraging to us that are trying to please the customer.... it just shows that it's impossible. I even think that if we were able to keep it as a solid aluminum handmade one-of-a-kind piece of art on the top there'd be people complaining about that. Thanks, though, to all those that appreciate the work done on the concept and production versions and have said so!