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Originally Posted by DeathChill
Citing the fact they've been using this method for the past 100 years only shows how archaic it is.
No, it's not the problem that some dealers mark it up at the beginning. It's the whole damn experience. It's awful. The system in place currently is terrible and really needs to be completely revamped.
I'm not saying every single dealer is bad, but I'm saying the whole system is setup wrong that allows the bad dealers to continue doing whatever they please.
I know it's never going to happen but it is an interesting thought. Think of how amazing it would be to walk into a dealership and buy or order the car you want without spending a week trying to haggle and making sure you're not getting shafted.
Being able to order ANY car and get it in a timely manner, none of this useless allocation stuff that just results in people who want to order being turned away. Like I said, when you want to give a company your money and they're saying "Well, we have no idea when we're going to build it because it's not within the dealer's allocation! We'll sure teach you for going with a dealer who sold all the cars we want to give him!" I don't know of any other business that would turn away sold orders in this manner.
My girlfriend was treated poorly at a Chevy dealership and she had no interest in going back to ANY Chevy dealership. She would be happier to go get a Honda Civic and be done with it.
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I never said anything about the sytstem I said that it would be insane for them to scrap a maketing network that they have been building for 100 years. And GM doesn't own these dealerships, they are independant.
It is pretty easy to tell other people what to do with their money to suit your desires without ever having to take responsibility for your decisions. It's pretty easy to spend other people's money.
As far not being able to get a car. If you could please send your magic wand to GM I'm sure that they would love to waive it, on your behaf, and make 15,000 cars appear out of thin air. Maybe they just should have announced production starting in July while secretly building them from March on and then come July....Poof they magically appear.
Let your girlfriend know that she is part of a very large club, The "Who the hell does that car saleman think I am, an idiot?" club. Anyone who has ever tried to buy a car has probably joined that club. It is not exclusive to any manufacturer, is is all encompassing. That's why there have been jokes about used car salesman for decades. That doesn't mean that all dealers are crooks, many are honest hard working businessman, which we seem to agree with based on your statements below...vvvvvv....
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There's crooks on both sides, that's for sure. However, there's still far too many dealers who are what we'd consider crooks. Unfortunately that gives ALL dealers a bad name, regardless of whether or not they are honest.
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[QUOTE=DeathChill;454056]Definitely agree here. I think that any dealer, regardless of the company they sell for, has or will mark up cars.
However, Fbodfather, I think you missed the post where Tesla directly sells their cars. The difference is that Tesla didn't create any franchised dealerships so they avoided the whole mess. What I was talking about was if every dealership had its franchise pulled/destroyed (I know it'd never happen, but theoretically it could).
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However, the article does state that the way the law works is that if a franchised dealer exists in the state then the company can't sell there. If there's no franchised dealer then they can sell direct. However, that would obviously require shutting down every dealer and that is kind of a bad thing to do all at once, or at all.
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As far as Tesla is concerned. It isn't near the same thing when you are comparing a company that is less than 10 years old with one small factory in one state with virtually no marketing network, to a multi billion dollar company on, 4 or 5 continents that has been open and operating for over 100 years. I'm quite sure you would have wondered why the crew of the Exxon Valdez couldn't have just made a quick turn or gone right over the sand bar like you do on the weekends in your fishing boat.
The biggest challenge right now is that 10,000 people are waiting for their cars and in the past they would just wait quietly with the small amout of information they got from their dealers until they got their phone call. But now with this "new technology" of the internet and "forums" we see every spy photo and hear everyone speculate about what is happening, should be happening or has already happened. Then everyone can get together and pitch their bitch about what is wrong and right with what they just heard. That OK, it's a forum. Just don't take yourself or anyone else too seriously. A few months from now there will only be 2 groups of people, #1 happy Camaro owners driving and modding their new rides, #2 people that don't drive Camaros telling you what is wrong with you for buying one and why their cars are better. I can live with that.