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Originally Posted by Hylton
So, on the day the videos are available, you get the call right away?
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define right away. I've pre-ordered a lot of things, and I've also kept in contact with the manufacturer about the official release date. same thing with Starcraft II, it was supposed to be released in december, then they bumped it to April. I've had a preorder for nearly a year now and they still push back the release date. granted, the price difference between a game and a car is extreme, but the process follows the same lines.
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Originally Posted by UCF w00t
GM not only called it a preorder which has it's own implied meaning but their statements on here as well as in the very minimal public documentation certainly did imply that preorders would come first. I've already shown examples of this so I won't go into it again.
Please post the dealership you attended the IDL at so that they can be reprimanded by GM. The information in that broadcast was GM confidential and customers were not permitted to view it. We should know. One small clip was posted by a dealer as part of a larger video of them yapping and GM demanded that it be pulled down immediately. Most dealerships didn't even watch the IDL. I know mine didn't. The whole idea of an IDL is antiquated. I mean... seriously... a satellite feed? In this day and age we have a thing called "the internet" (you may not have heard of it yet) that will allow people to "broadcast" video for relatively minimal cost. Maybe someone at GM should give this internet thing a try. And as I posted at the time, why couldn't they make this a webcast where customers could watch? Or have another webcast so that we don't have to pry information out of dealers. Oh what, you going to tell me that explaining the situation to customers goes against state laws too?
This isn't Scott's job. It's John or someone else on the Camaro team's. But, Scott is filling that role since they are evidently unwilling or uncapable of doing so themselves. I've had enough of listening to BS. Look at John's post on the fastlane blog. A bunch of beuraucratic crap. But how come he can post that in the comments of a blog but not on here? Or another enthusiast forum? Doesn't make sense.
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Guys, stuff like video games are not a good analog to this. Both sides really shouldn't be using it. They can produce a billion copies of a game in no time flat. They also don't have allocation systems to mess with. But on the flip side, if you preorder a game, some guy can't walk into another store and get that game BEFORE you. That's what's happening here. The same thing would happen here if you're out of town... the dealership will (or should) hold your car til you get back.
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implied meanings dont mean squat, just because you didnt understand the meaning and didnt go thru the trouble to find out yourself, doesnt mean that someone else is at fault. its all in the fine print. a pre-order is just that. a pre order. its an order made before the product is officially produced/distributed. in no way shape or form does that guarantee you the first one off the line, or the second, or the third. all that means is that you are guaranteed the product when it is produced. no-where in the preorder agreements did it say that you would get your car 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4338th, etc. it just said that you would get your car. Scott has already said that they plan to have all sold preorders filled by Oct (if not sooner).
some people on here have been waiting since Oct 08 for their car.... ive been waiting since Feb 02 for mine. yeah, the wait sucks, and bitching and complaining about it makes you feel good for a short time period, but crimany people, grow up. I hope all of you get your car tomorrow and come back on here apologizing to everyone about how much of an ass you have made yourselves look. seriously, this is whats wrong with this country. no one wants to have patience and deal with everything in stride.
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Originally Posted by franknbeans
Great post. . . . 
You are not the only one that wants their car. I've been waiting 7 months since my pre-order. |
I've been waiting 7+ years since they stopped making the 4th gens....
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Originally Posted by greenrail
Geez, does anyone besides me, recall that we had been told that Preorders were targeted to be completed by the Third Quarter???????
Consider this folks, you have 15,000 preorders, each uniquely defined and optioned to individual tastes. I am no mathematician, but conceivably this could result in 15.000 different cominations of options. Add to this the Dealer cars (some 6,000 or so vehicles) and Some cars for dealer stock, which takes away your ability to get exactly what you want should you elect to go that route. Assuming you build two additional cars for dealer stock, we are looking at 33,000 vehicles pushed into the pipeline. That is basically a third of what GM was intending to build at the time of announcement of this vehicle (Ed Peper and Bob Lutz were hoping for 100k vehicle sales each model year to sustain this car in production).
So, what we have here is pent up demand, anxious people, production combinations which really end up blocking similar models together during production.
As I have said in some of my other posts, the manufacturing of any automobile is a complex process. Those of us who have plunked down our hard earned cash, are expecting to have a vehicle the way we want it, not to pick a compromise from dealer stock.
Before I close this out, I must express my disappointment in the fact that this does not register with folks on here. You are getting the car the way you want it. AS long as it meets the third Quarter timeline we have been told, it boils down to our collective anxiety and impatience.
Since this is the first vehicle I have ordered to spec, in my lifetime, I am equally as anxious about when it will get here. The fact is, that It will get here when it gets here. That is the way the world works.
I will have a New Camaro, equipped the way I want it not out of some dealer stock order. That is something for which I am truly happy!
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