Originally Posted by LOWDOWN
Originally Posted by tt335ci03cobra
I've heard enough from this guy. Just reading from page 90-97, I got that lowdown is mental and deranged. Funny I had a feeling earlier but now there's no doubt in my mind.
I like both cars but am obviously a ford fan [true, dat] as I have an 03 cobra that's very built up. I've staked my cash on the line and proof trumps eloquence. I like the zl1 a lot but plan to buy a gt500 all said and done. I've done enough research and am now decided. I was debating both but that time is done for me. $55k is too much to throw out without seeing reviews of both even though I am a foes fan. Above all I'm a realist and want bang for my buck.
True facts lowdown has muddled:
-It does 202 in any coupe configuration.
Now confirmed, personally, through SVT, and stated here.
-A zl1 is not 54,995 base out the door though. It must be acquired with a mandatory $1,300-2,600* option. This option is the gas guzzler tax.
-base to base the gt500 is $1,000 cheaper because of out the door gas guzzler tax. Sorry but you lose, have lost and can't win the 61k argument so please stop spewing rhetoric, uploading dead articles from February, and vehemently voicing what is and can only be your opinion.
Sanctioned by Mustang News...apparently a source of Ford disinformation, something others want to take Settlemire to task for, even though he has stated nothing false. You have a beef with Mustang News, not me...
-Also factor that 14/16 mileage will cost you much more per year to put 5,000 miles on vs the gt500's 15/24. That's 50% better freeway mileage. At $4.00 a gallon this is a huge compromise. If anyone really plans to buy these cars only to drive in the city and avoid highways, so be it, most won't.
I'm sure mpgs will win over all manner of salivating Stang studs...and BTW, I have never broached the mpg deal...not once...
-where is the 202mph option for a zl1?
Never said there was...more rhetoric/pot-stirring you share.
-where is the 600whp option? Zl1's are making 485whp while the gt500 is making 585-600 time after time.
...to 515...
-where is the navigation option? Awesome reccaro's? (zl1's are nice though) etc? You criticize fords 65k price but I dont see nav or glass roof etc on the zl1's sheets. Let's stay on point with apples to apples bud.
"reccaro's"...are you thinkin' of Rickie Riccardo?...or Recaro, the seat people...?
Not once have I uttered "$65"...more rhetoric...
NAV and glass roof...equates to boulevardier...and you're moanin' about PRICE?
-on that note, where is the shaker 1000 esq option? You ring the fcking price to 65k on fords price it site but fail to realize half those options don't exist on the zl1.
Nice...do you kiss your kids with that mouth, Boulevardier?
I've never been to the Ford site to ring up a $65 price...you have me confused with someone else. Or did a voice in your head tell you this?! Speaking of "mental and deranged"...
All that said, the zl1 is an awesome car, it is a different car than a gt500. Maybe a better handler, but not a faster or quicker car. The zl1 does not make a 2013 a mule buggy handling wise even if it out performs it by a few 10ths on a windy tiny circuit.
Ah...don't give up now? We were just comin' up to the twisty-turnie part of this debate...again...
All said and done its my opinion that both cars are brilliant and you are a fanboy that needs to grow up.
Coming from you, an apparent knower of such things, I'll take your kind words under advisement...
Just to show your true intent here, from Day 1, let me replay your very first post back in February...
I'm a ford guy obviously. That said I want the zl1 to be awesome so ford will improve improve the gt500. Competition breeds awesomeness as we all are seeing. 580hp Camaro? Awesome, magnetic ride? Incredible. Just what competition is all about.
The zl1 has the potential to be a serious contender, especially once some initial tweaks and bugs get worked out and the car evolves. We all know the 2007 gt500 was just ok in bone stock trim but now that 4 years have passed, the 2011 svtpp is quite a good value. I hope the same for the zl1. Maybe 4 years from now, as an automotive society, we'll have mid to low 11 second, 1g+, super muscle cars in the form of insane zl1 and gt500 offerings-hell maybe even an sc'd challenger/charger too, that would be great.
Now that all said, I have to be totally honest.
The op's title and first post really made me scratch my head. I signed up just to say he probably should keep those opinions to himself because he's single handedly fueling the fires on other sites to label camaro5 as a bad site.
I'm no band wagon junkie but half the stuff he said wasn't very well founded. Do this site a solid and put a grain of thought into your posts. Your making these guys look bad.
(I'm guessing I'll get an instant ban but it's obvious I mean the best, do as you will)
Your words?
Right from post #1, you joined to put us poor unknowing Camaro comrades in our place...right? Not as a Camaro comrade, but as a Camaro commando...right?
In the month of May you have LIVED (all but 3 posts) on this thread...and have waited to ambush someone (again) with unsubstantiated statements you have erroneously attributed to me. I'm capable of messin' up enough things all on my own without someone of your ilk assisting me..and I have corrected myself, as well, given the chance to.
Review MY post history...and you will find, as I have stated in RED above, that you, sir, have the veracity of a tomcat...and the potty-lickin' mouth to go with it. That's NOT rhetoric, sir, those are FACTS.
In the immortal words of Fez, "Good Day!"
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