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Originally Posted by cosmoZL1

Seriously? For real? Kills me to see these posts. Have you for one second stopped to think before writing this for other people to read? Do you know the difference between the production process on the Camaro and a Porsche? Do you pay 55k for a world class super car and expect the 100k build process? BUDGET SUPER CAR? How many times does a new Porsche owner go back to the dealer for these same complaints? Never? HAHAHAHA.. Yeah right.. All these posts about some imperfection or another in the car that is mass produced by people that live everyday lives too. We ALL have good days and bad days.. Then, the car is loaded on a TRAIN! Not a truck transport. The car sees how many different people prior to the dealer? This car is THEE Nicest car bar none at under 120k. AND SURPASSES MANY MANY cars that far exceed this cost. You get a problem take it to the dealer. Get it fixed. Discuss it here. Whatever, Before you post complaining about the car you paid 55k for, expecting some perfect dream car built by people that have no personal lives or faults? Think about it. Go buy that foriegn car. Then you can go complain about it on some other website.

Dude either YOU were drunk when you posted your response or you are just plain dyslexic. If you read my post I was basically saying the same damn thing you just did but in a different manner. I even through out names and gave props to the guys that built this car. I even said that I am not going to be overly anal about this car for little things like paint blemishes or interior panel pieces that are not 100% perfect because this car "is what it is" a great performance car built on a budget; I said this car is basically a "budget supercar" because it is!!! Nowhere in the world can you pay $55k and get the kind of performance the ZL1 has (unless you buy a base model GT500 maybe). However that doesn't mean the quality of the interior components or even the QC of all the parts used in the interior or exterior body panels are on par with more expensive foreign makes like Audi, BMW, and Porsche. Sure the guy in the market for a $55k BMW M3 may also look at the ZL1 and have to decide if it wants more quality materials and a more "polished" interior/exterior or if it wants more "bang for buck" performance. That is a decision the individual will have to make for themselves though. Sometimes we want to have our cake and eat it too, so some people may pay $55k for the ZL1 and expect BMW M3 quality materials and when they reach the final product in hand they may be somewhat disappointed. I for one was simply saying I am releasing my mind to not fall into this trap and sometimes I have to remind myself that I chose the latter option of "bang for buck" and not the "polished" quality of materials. Of course if one paid $55k to BMW or Audi or Porsche you will get a car with a nicer interior and better paint and body panels but you will get less performance for the money; obviously your $55k has to go somewhere--either performance or luxury. Sometimes a compromise of both is found in a car; the ZL1 may lean a little more towards the performance while an M3 I feel has a compromise of both luxury and performance. Hell go back and read other threads about the paint issues some have experienced on the ZL1 when they 1st arrived at the dealerships and some even complained on the 2010 Camaros. My paint had a few water spots on it where it looked like water drops from rain or melted ice sat too long and etched into the clear coat (probably from the QC holdup), also I found a few spots of overspray. But I haven't taken it to the dealership because it's only a few minor spots that you have to see up close and be looking for and I'd rather not have to give my car away to the dealership for "X" amount of days for something like minor like this.

and not to call Scott out for his response because Scott is the man . But any magazine review of the ZL1 (or even the more expensive CORVETTE for that matter) has commented once or twice that the interior components, paint, etc. on American performance cars aren't as "sharp" as those on Audi, BMW, and Porsche. It's just a fact--no two ways about it. The Viper was ridiculed for years for it's interior and SRT execs knew this and have listened in an effort to gain more customers in their target audience by supposedly refinining the interior of the 2013 Viper; in fact I read in a recent Road & Track issue that the interior on the 2013 Viper would rival that of Bentley (maybe an exaggeration) but it's nice to know American Performance cars are starting to match their foreign counterparts in the "quality" of materials department. My comment was simply calling out this "obvious" fact, some may think it's subjective, but I'm sure 99% of ZL1 owners (if they are being 100% honest with themselves and not brand loyalist) will agree that the interior, body panels & paint on our cars is not quite as polished or refined as those of the foreign (GERMAN) competition. But again who cares right? After all we didn't buy our ZL1's for the nicest paint, we bought them for cheap performance, if you realize that simple fact, you will not be disappointed and frustrated whenever notice a blemish on your paint or a flaw in the consistency on the painted plastic piece surrounding your shifter console (as I have). Yes, Scott I know that even Bentley screws up occasionally on paint or QC of components--everybody does--but even if a perfectly manufactured CAMARO was produced and a perfectly manufactured M3 was produced the "quality" of materials used on both products would be visually apparent and that was the only point I was simply trying to make along with the fact that an automaker has to choose between all out performance or luxury or find a compromise of both when producing a "sports car" in today's market. QC issues happen to EVERYBODY (some companies more than others of course) but the "quality" of materials is an entirely different subject so hopefully those that read my original post weren't confusing the two.

Cosmo, no offense bro but Obviously you are some die-hard guy with a mullet :flag2: and I have offended you , for that I DO NOT apologize because as I said before I am a "CAR ENTHUSIAST" first and will always call out negative things that I see from whatever car manufacturer (even if I support them at the end of the day and continue buying their products). We are all entitled to voice our opinions here and are encouraged too as that is what makes C5 such a great community; but in doing so we should all remember that at the end of the day we all love Camaros which is why we joined this forum in the 1st place--unless we are trolls (which I obviously am not as seen by my post count). My post was in no way an attack on GM because I have owned two Corvettes (including the 1st year C6 model) and bought a 2012 ZL1 knowing up front that Chevy produces "bang for buck" which implies that the paint, body panels, and interior pieces may not be as "nice" as those of our foreign competition.

If I may just offer a small piece of advice buddy: you should read a post in it's entirety a few times before making responses like YOU did...c'mon bro...get it together sorry for the long post but I had to clarify because I don't like people attacking my character, even if it is just the Internet...anyway hopefully we understand each other better now...it's all good here brotha