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Old 01-15-2013, 10:00 PM   #33
wadeh
 
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS/M6, Silver Ice Metallic
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Snohomish, WA
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Originally Posted by Synner View Post
I love how people think there was never a performance vehicle before the advent of nannies and driving without them means you will wreck. The only thing nannies do is allow poor drivers to operate vehicles that they lack the skills to operate safety. When people say "never drive with them off" all I hear is "I should be driving a civic."

A good driver knows how to handle oversteer, understeer, locked brakes, limited traction and other situations where the nannies step in. They also learn and understand the limits of their vehicle. The people who never better themselves as drivers or learn their vehicles need nannies. Safety margins are located within the driver brain, hands, and feet. No nanny can fix that.
Assuming that this is directed at me, I never said that driving without electronic aids "means you will wreck".

I have many hundreds of thousands of miles of experience in high performance vehicles, lots of them without this technology. And while I've never auto crossed, I do have track experience and have had training in high performance driving. I am quite capable of recovering from the conditions mentioned in this thread.

What I did say, and what I stand behind, is that modern electronic aids add a margin of safety, and do so without impeding driving on public streets. If you are regularly activating Stabilitrak in your day to day driving, then I would suggest you're not doing it right.

If you want to push the car to it's limits without interference (and let's face it, lots of us do, including me), go for it. That's what the off switch is for. But you'll have a hard time convincing me that it's appropriate to do so on public streets.
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