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BlaqWhole · 02-10-2013, 02:26 AM

Ok, just to cut through the bullshit...Maryland Speed, you make a LOT of claims...I for one would LOVE to see some proof of where you're getting your info. Like I said before...even if crap Chinese headers only lasted X amount of time/miles...the twice as expensive stuff would have to last at least twice as long to make it worthwhile, IMO...at the very minimal least...in order to prove it's value. There is absolutely NO header whatsoever that can make this claim on the 5th Gen Camaro...no matter how you slice it, it just cannot be done right now. You're fighting a losing battle for now. 10 years from now, maybe there will be some substantial evidence. But for now, you are just making yourself look ignorant.

Even if my headers last 3 years, I have a warranty. And if that warranty proves to be bullshit...I can still buy another brand new set of headers and STILL be below what some of the expensive brands cost. Now if those 2 sets in total last me 8-10 years...and 1 set of the twice as much brands lasts the same amount of time...then there is absolutely no advantage either way. This is all just speculation by the dubs. And what will it cost me? A few hours of daylight with a couple of buddies drinking Bud Black Crown...?? You're welcome Budweiser!!

I'm just sayin...and no dis to Litle or Axis or Maryland, or anyone else...but on the real, a lot of you guys speak totally out of disdain with abso no legitimate support of your claims. Nobody cares about the magical non-existent customers that soo many members remark about that had soo many problems. For real, why not take pics and post them? If I had as many issues as some of you so-called shops claim, I would be posting pics and threads on here as often as the "Which headers should I buy" and "Which exhaust sounds best", and "How will my car sound", and "What CAI will work best", and "Need Advice on this BS" threads that pop up every single day. It gets old when there is just speculation, accusations, and rumors with no proof. One shop claimed to have all these claims...and when he got called out...there was no evidence provided that such claims even existed. In fact, that was the ONLY OBX/cheap Chinese headers vs American headers thread that I've seen that has ever been locked and discarded. That says a lot to me.

Nobody cares if a shop won't install the headers. Heck, I did it by myself in a parking lot on ramps with a couple pieces of wood, some hand tools, and a small jack I got from PepBoys 5 years ago in 6 hours...and that was taking my sweet time right after working out for 2 hours in the gym. And if any shop refuses to do it, there are plenty of shops within a 5 mile radius of any of you guys that would love to take someone's money for such an easy install. So what really are any of you guys proving? ANYONE and their grandmother can install headers on this car and then test drive it to the bar and get wasted in less time than it would take Manti Te'o to find another fake GF. The OP here proved that anyone can install headers on these cars...even with some issues.

Regardless of anything, the OP here had some issues. And he posted up legit threads to show that other well known and more expensive brands have had similar issues. But I have yet to see the magical pixie dust imaginary customers that I've heard other members talk about. In fact, all I've seen are total raves about how good the cheap crap is...as much as the raves of the expensive crap. Put up or blah blah blah blah. Nobody needs to know about the periodic table or the composition of metals or work in a diecast/metal shop to know whether or not a brand of $500 headers works as good as a $1200 brand. You only sell Kooks?? Ok, nobody cares. I'll pay less than $600 for OBX and do the install myself instead of paying $1200 and then paying you another $200-$400 for the install and then another $400-$600 for the tune. Get it? My total exhaust with tune cost me $1569 grand total including all shipping...adding $170 shipped for the cost of the used DS tuner. That's what a set of Kooks with install at a shop would have cost. Way I see it...I'm ahead...

02-10-2013, 02:26 AM	#67
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	Ok, just to cut through the bullshit...Maryland Speed, you make a LOT of claims...I for one would LOVE to see some proof of where you're getting your info. Like I said before...even if crap Chinese headers only lasted X amount of time/miles...the twice as expensive stuff would have to last at least twice as long to make it worthwhile, IMO...at the very minimal least...in order to prove it's value. There is absolutely NO header whatsoever that can make this claim on the 5th Gen Camaro...no matter how you slice it, it just cannot be done right now. You're fighting a losing battle for now. 10 years from now, maybe there will be some substantial evidence. But for now, you are just making yourself look ignorant. Even if my headers last 3 years, I have a warranty. And if that warranty proves to be bullshit...I can still buy another brand new set of headers and STILL be below what some of the expensive brands cost. Now if those 2 sets in total last me 8-10 years...and 1 set of the twice as much brands lasts the same amount of time...then there is absolutely no advantage either way. This is all just speculation by the dubs. And what will it cost me? A few hours of daylight with a couple of buddies drinking Bud Black Crown...?? You're welcome Budweiser!! I'm just sayin...and no dis to Litle or Axis or Maryland, or anyone else...but on the real, a lot of you guys speak totally out of disdain with abso no legitimate support of your claims. Nobody cares about the magical non-existent customers that soo many members remark about that had soo many problems. For real, why not take pics and post them? If I had as many issues as some of you so-called shops claim, I would be posting pics and threads on here as often as the "Which headers should I buy" and "Which exhaust sounds best", and "How will my car sound", and "What CAI will work best", and "Need Advice on this BS" threads that pop up every single day. It gets old when there is just speculation, accusations, and rumors with no proof. One shop claimed to have all these claims...and when he got called out...there was no evidence provided that such claims even existed. In fact, that was the ONLY OBX/cheap Chinese headers vs American headers thread that I've seen that has ever been locked and discarded. That says a lot to me. Nobody cares if a shop won't install the headers. Heck, I did it by myself in a parking lot on ramps with a couple pieces of wood, some hand tools, and a small jack I got from PepBoys 5 years ago in 6 hours...and that was taking my sweet time right after working out for 2 hours in the gym. And if any shop refuses to do it, there are plenty of shops within a 5 mile radius of any of you guys that would love to take someone's money for such an easy install. So what really are any of you guys proving? ANYONE and their grandmother can install headers on this car and then test drive it to the bar and get wasted in less time than it would take Manti Te'o to find another fake GF. The OP here proved that anyone can install headers on these cars...even with some issues. Regardless of anything, the OP here had some issues. And he posted up legit threads to show that other well known and more expensive brands have had similar issues. But I have yet to see the magical pixie dust imaginary customers that I've heard other members talk about. In fact, all I've seen are total raves about how good the cheap crap is...as much as the raves of the expensive crap. Put up or blah blah blah blah. Nobody needs to know about the periodic table or the composition of metals or work in a diecast/metal shop to know whether or not a brand of $500 headers works as good as a $1200 brand. You only sell Kooks?? Ok, nobody cares. I'll pay less than $600 for OBX and do the install myself instead of paying $1200 and then paying you another $200-$400 for the install and then another $400-$600 for the tune. Get it? My total exhaust with tune cost me $1569 grand total including all shipping...adding $170 shipped for the cost of the used DS tuner. That's what a set of Kooks with install at a shop would have cost. Way I see it...I'm ahead...