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Originally Posted by Mr Monte
Our Stock 2000 Camaro SS 6 speed manual runs 13.1 & our Stock 2002 Trans Am auto runs 13.2. With a full tank of gas the 2000 Camaro SS only weighs 3400lbs. That's what the current Camaros should weigh.
The build quality of the 67-73 wasn't any better.
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I should have worded this as "these years had either poor performance, poor build quality, poor styling or all of the above. I will agree with you that the 5th Gen is a tank. And 3400lbs. would have made a nice difference in overall performance.
My 1969 Z/28 had a much better build quality than any of 70's & 80's Camaros I ever saw or friends who owned them.
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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole
Ok, here is a guy who has no idea what he's talking about. From 86-02, the top line Camaros, Firebirds, and Trans Ams offered the most powerful engines and the fastest cars available at their price range. So if Camaros had poor performance, then EVERY car on the planet around the same price had poor performance...which still means that comparatively, the Camaro was STILL the best performer.
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Yes, every car in that price category during the 70's & 80's had poor performance, looks, and quality. In the mid 90's going forwarded the performance was coming back. Again, as far as performance goes I should have stated the Camaros from the early seventies through the 80's were dogs. My first car as a junior in high school in '73-74 was a 1970 Boss 429 Mustang. With a cam it was a high 12 second car on street tires. Later dual quads, headers and slicks running high 11's. Many of my friends and classmates from this era had cheap fast muscle cars from the 60's that ran 12's and 13's in street trim. It took 30 years for this type of performance to be matched. I owned a 1969 Z/28, 1970 454 Corvette, 1968 SS 396 El Camino and a 1971 4x4 Blazer. All great looking, good performing, decent build quality cars. I also had a 1984 Z51 Corvette and a 1976 Chevy 4x4, which were the biggest POS's I have ever owned. My 1988 Porsche Carrera was one of the best sports cars of the 80's and still retains its' value just as the muscle cars and many of the sports cars from the 60's do. IMO I think the 1974 through 2002 Camaros are poorly styled vehicles with no real value and I would not want to be seen in one. It wasn't until the big 3 went back to the late 60's/1970 to bring style back into the Camaro, Mustang and Challenger. No one would have bought into a restyled 70's, 80's, or 90's car.
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Originally Posted by Rocky1974
While I agree that there were some real duds in those years, there were certainly some gems also. Styling is subjective and lets face it, no Camaro had much in the way build quality until the 5th Gen. Performance took a sllde in the early seventies, but made a big comeback from the mid eighties until 2002. Those 1998-2002 model were LS powered and nothing with a LS in it is a slouch!
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Sounds like you lived my era. I agree with you on the LS powered Camaros of the mid 90's to 2002, although I don't care for the styling. It was the retro style of the 5gen that brought me back. I loved my 1969 Z/28. The Boss 429 was a PITA! My only Ford.