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Originally Posted by LOWDOWN
OK, some historical perspective on Gen-5 Z/28 Pricing:
The closest possible version ALMOST available was the proposed (2 prototypes built, Black with Gold stripes) '69 COPO 9567. Here's what it would have been included:
[EDIT from here - http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=55107 ]
Standard options slated for production COPO 9567 ZL-1Special Camaros included:
Tuxedo Black paint with Special Gold striping
ZL-1 Street Detuned Engine
Z22 Rally Sport
M21 (M22 Optional) 4-spd manual or Heavy Duty M40 3-spd automatic transmission
J52 Power Disc Brakes - Front only
N40 Power Steering
D55 Center Console
U16 Tachometer
F41 Special Performance Suspension
ZN2 COPO 9567 Springs
G80 Positraction (4.10 ratio w/M21 or 3.55 ratio w/M40)
K85 61 Amp Generator
K66 Transistor Ignition
D80 Auxiliary Valance Panel (Rear Spoiler)
Wider Front Bumper Valance Panel (Front Spoiler)
VE3 Special Front Bumper (only Prototype “B” had this)
Racing Type Mirrors (Only Prototype “B” had these? – Can’t tell from photos. Prototype “A” did not.)
Exhaust Resonators
Tail Pipe Extensions
Special Steering Wheel
F-70-15B Nylon Blackwall w/Gold Lettered Tires
15x7 Wheels (Prototype “B” had 15x8s in the rear)
Special Hub Caps & Wheel Nuts
Wheel Trim Rings
Fender Splash Guards (Prototype cars did not have these)
Special Striping, Decals for the Hood, Grille & Rear End Panel (The grille lettering was slightly different for each of the two prototype cars – see pictures below)
Wheel Opening Mouldings Deleted (only Prototype “B” had these deleted)
Special Instrument Cluster (for Transistor Ignition)
Other Features of RPO L-78 except Fender Emblems
The COPO 9567 cars were already slated to sell for $8581.60 for the (M21) 4-spd version and $8676.60 for the (M40) 3-spd automatic version. [M22 + $100]
I believe that because there was more to the COPO 9567 ZL-1 Special Camaro than simply adding and deleting existing components (the process used for building a COPO 9560 Camaro), it required more lead-time within GM to make the car a reality. There was artwork to be done, badging to be made, and another batch of engines to produce, amongst other things. Given the reaction to pricing on the 9560 cars, the proposed price for a COPO 9567 was also too high.
Exactly how close the COPO 9567 Camaro actually came to production is unknown, but from the documentation I’ve accumulated, it’s clear that Chevrolet was more than just considering building these cars. They had done a significant amount of planning, engineering, prototyping, and pricing of them to clearly show that the car was ready to go to production.
NO 4WDB-CC/ABS/TC/StabiliTrak/Airbags/5mph bumpers/GG Tax/Crash Testing/P. Windows-Locks-Tilt-Cruise-forged alum. wheels-Radial tires etc.
CPI - 1/01/1969 to 1/01/2014 = 6.50 X $8681.60 [M22] = $56,500. 4WDB (if available w/HD 12-bolt, which they weren't) @ $500 X 6.5 = $3,250 extra, theoretically...
So, a '69 car without 4.5 DECADES of technological improvements @ $60Gs, today, MINUS a LOT!
This makes a $75,000 all-in number very respectable. Not what I personally hoped for ($65-ish before Fr/GG, so off by 10%), but very respectable.
Especially for a short production run... |
uh-oh - there you go again - confusing us with FACTS again!!!
As always, Mr. Lowdown
you bring up many many salient points. And you make it understandable and for that I thank you!!!
Now -- to some of you:
One thing to keep in mind as we 'debate' -
For many years we 'watered down" the Z28 (not my term - the term of many Z/28 purists... While the Z28 became much more affordable, those who remember what the 1967 Z was designed for were quite upset with where we were going with their 'hallowed' nameplate -- believe me, I've been getting very 'pointed' letters and emails from the old-school Z/28 enthusiasts since about 1996..........
So.....we decided it was time to honor the original purpose........that now means that the 'mainline' Z28 enthusiast is now upset.
That's the way this thing called "Camaro Enthusiasm" works, it seems.
Those of us on the team have to make hard, fast decisions - and we know that no matter WHAT we choose or select or decide - SOMEONE will call us out - (most of the time with an un-thought-out line of reasoning....)
So be it - that's why we have broad shoulders.
(note that I went from Z/28 to Z28 and back and forth for a reason...I'll let you do a bit of research if you don't understand why....)
There's a reason we used the LS7 engine - rather than the LS3 -- and that shows in the performance numbers ....... we didn't want to cut corners.....
Yes - unfortunately some dealers will throw a premium on top of the MSRP. You have the option of saying "NO!" - and I suspect that some will sit and sit and sit - and finally be discounted..............
Make no mistake -this is a serious driving machine -
Let's celebrate that fact, shall we?