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Originally Posted by TrackClub

I would agree. Yet anyone interested in simply having a fast track car, can spend $55Gs on a superbly capable ZL1, replace its (rather average) street tires with R-comps for say $1500, another $1000 for easy weight reductions (follow the z28 list - except for rear the windshield of course - but don't necessarily stop there) and have more HP and Torque to beat up on the Mustangs with. As to the brakes, note what technology pro racers use.
As far as aero, many aftermarket solutions exist, just watch a Conti Challenge in TV. All in all: likely less than $60Gs and $15+ grand to spare on track/school fees.

I don't want to re-build a car, I want a turn-key track car. One that is dependable and fast.

You can do that re-build, you seem to know exactly what's needed. How many of these track car builds have you done so that we know you've validated and proven this concept of transforming the ZL1 into a more durable, faster, cheaper track car?

There seems to be several folks who feel as you do, my suggestion is go build what you propose, prove the value proposition, and earn your credibility. Otherwise, the flapping of lips with nothing to show for it is getting mighty tiresome to listen to.

Originally Posted by TrackClub

No flame intended either, but as we (should) all know, R comps are more demanding to drive on vs streets (by and large), so if folks were getting in trouble with ZL1 on "streets" with a staggered set up, expect more folks losing it on R comps with the z28 with a square set up, trying to find its limits:
wider front tire will make the car understeer less, meaning it will oversteer more, meaning it will be less forgiving at the limit. Hope GM will include free track schools for all z28 owners

No, "we" do not all know that.

I actually have experience street and track driving Trofeos. In fact I wore through several sets of the original Trofeo before the R's were released. Then I went through several sets of the first Trofeo R's that were released in the US. From what you wrote it obvious you have no idea what you are talking about in regards to this tire. It's is as progressive at the limit as any street tire and probably more so than most. That is the fact from experience.

There is nothing inherent in a square set-up to make it any more of less prone to "losing it".

Tire contact patch is but one of very many variables that affect handling and balance. To say that having a wide front tire will make a car less forgiving at the limit is ridiculous as a blanket statement.

Your insinuation that the tire setup on the Z/28 is dangerous is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Just hope like heck nobody purchases one with an automatic assumption they will "blow all other cars to kingdom-come" LOL! Given a ZL1 was ONLY 3 seconds slower at GM's own testing track, one shod in R-comps will likely give it one heck of a run for its $18,000 price premium. Just a speculation of course.

Who would make that assumption? I don't recall reading it being thrown about frequently? In fact I've never read it on this forum? So, who is making that assumption? That would be "you".

You are starting up again with this ZL1 comparison, yet anyone who is serious about buying a Z/28 is crystal clear on the difference, and GM has taken great pains to explain the differences. Yet you continue to try and flog the ZL1 as the car to buy?

Originally Posted by TrackClub

But, if anyone buys it to "reign supreme" at track events they might get a heck of a surprise when a C6Z flies by them at the same price.
And then a C7 Z51 at 17 grand less. And quite possibly a ZL1 on R comps at a similar discount. To be honest, I expected the z28 to cost LESS then the ZL1. So, would I buy it at 65Gs? No. Because I'd buy a Vette (for track) and still have 10 grand left in my wallet. Or buy a ZL1 and spend 2Gs (max) on better tires. In closing, if somebody buys the z28 as an "excusive statement of uniqueness" - all the power to them, as there is no such thing as "value" in art. But if they spend that kinda money on it as a dedicated track car, my response would be different, given the aforementioned choices from GM.

Dude! WTF? Where do you come up with this crap?

"reign supreme"
"excusive statement of uniqueness"

Who, other than you, is saying this stuff?

Go buy the 'Vette. Go buy the ZL1. Why haven't you already done so?

Originally Posted by TrackClub

To add to the previous reply, this assumes the driver is aware where the limit is. A square set up is defo looser than staggered and as such requires more skill to drive fast. It might be faster than staggered, but only in seasoned hands. PS It is the choice of many Vette racers, but not all.

Here you go again. Cite references from racecar engineering literature supporting your blanket, standalone statement that "A square set up is defo looser than staggered and as such requires more skill to drive fast. It might be faster than staggered, but only in seasoned hands.". We'll wait...

What a crock of crap.

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Until that happens tread carefully re your expectations as you may get smoked by a "lesser" car but with better rubber - yet having paid a huge premium for the privileage.

Here we go yet again. I don't know what I would do without your effort to save me from myself? Why would you even think of trying to frame a discussion in this manner? What potential Z/28 owner thinks like that? And how the F would you know it? Because nobody here has posted anything remotely close to what you are portraying as fact.

And again (whew) you try to frame the entire value proposition of the Z/28 as boiling down to a comparison to the ZL1 and three seconds of lap time. Why would you do that?

After reading your posts, I have a theory and it is that there is something other than kindness and goodwill towards man behind the persona you attempt to portray in this forum. I think you are a crafty little troll. I'll let the fullness of time prove this theory right or wrong.