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Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT
*puts hand on shoulder*
That looked like it hurt.
I seriously love what GM has done with the car. They basically said, "This car isn't for everyone. It's going to be heavily track oriented but still have what it requires to maintain streetcar status."
It's a flagship Camaro, ultimately making it #2 or 3 on GMs performance list somewhere behind the upcoming Z06 and in/on/around Z51 territory.
I'm shocked (though I shouldn't be, this is the internet) at the number of people saying it's a fail because of the price. 75K is a steep price, especially a Camaro, but THIS car is not meant for "the common person or the average blue collar working guy."
Both the Camaro and the Mustang are rooted in affordability, but don't pretend a Boss/ZL1/GT500/Z28 are remotely affordable (or intended) to be made for everyone who loves the two cars.
I won't get into the cost vs performance argument as I really don't know what it requires to build a road racecar other than more money than I have. At the same time though, it ought to be pretty obvious (remember...internet here...) that such a limited quantity of cars results in higher R/D costs per unit. What would the ZL1 cost if GM had produced 2500 total instead of however many are in existence now?
I hope ford makes a GT350 (to continue competing with the ZL1 and throw a punch at this Z28 and Z51) that prices closely to the outgoing GT500 that is everyday friendly. I'd also enjoy an R version that costs more ans performs better while sacrificing civility. I wouldn't be interested in either, but I can still respect what they are and why they are built.
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"Affordablility" is such a subjective word. So is "value". You're right: even Boss 302 LS or GT500 are hardly affordable to most folks. Yet, the Boss is $50Gs so the Z28 is a whopping 50% more! And BTW the LS was even more limited production than Z28 plans to be. So how did Ford manage to amortize and "test" all those extra bits, including a revised motor, etc? Anyway, we can go on until the cows come home and then some. Bottom line, those that think the Z28 is worthy a 75G price tag: I hope you've already bought one? Lest the whole thing is just about who can flap their tonge faster about a halo type car. But thus far, I haven't seen any posts here saying: "awesome price AND I've ordered one!". Anyway, we all have different POVs and different size bank accounts. My interest in the Chevy line up is simple: price to performance value. I don't care about halo cars that elevate a brand but carry high price tags. I wish manufacturers devoted such efforts for making mainstream products better. Eliminating heat soak from ZL1 would be a good start. To those that are obsessed with testing due to law suites: Why isn't there a class action suite due to heat soak issues? After all, ZL1 is warrantied for track duty, isn't it? Or GM hasn't "tested" it sufficiently? If a motor is officially rated for x HP/TQ but it starts to drop power after just 2-3 laps (as some suggested here) is THIS acceptable? What a crock...