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Old 01-10-2014, 12:06 PM   #951
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Originally Posted by Padre View Post


http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/04/...-z28-and-more/

Scott, I think it's great that your on here openly engaging enthusiasts on this forum. Just remember what you said in the above article:
"And then there are the trolls………….who like nothing more than to start something………"
There comes a point of diminishing returns.



Padre
I assume this post was at least partly for my benefit, so thanks for sharing the link here. Good read and it explains a lot. Indeed, I do think it is very refreshing and special to have somebody of Scott's stature sharing comments on the forum. Now since I am being labelled with a rather undignified name of a troll, let me offer a few comments/clarifications, so folks don't take a single post and then flame it out of the overall context:
1) I absolutely love the styling of all GM's new cars. This includes the Camaros, the new Vette, the Caddies, etc. And yes it includes all the new rear lights bar none
2) I am not a "purist" by any means, don't know the detailed history of each brand, including the significance of the "slash" and alike. Neither am I overly motivated by same. I happen to be closely associated with a Bimmer community (in addition to a local Vette brother/sisterhood of course), yet couldn't care less that BMW M coupe is an M4 now for example (and most of them don't either BTW). But it is good to learn about these things as I go along and indeed I have learnt quite a bit over the past few days: my gain and my thank you.
3) If "starting something (new?)" makes me a troll, I am stunned. I think as a loyal customer of the GM brand, I have a right to seek clarifications wrt my purchasing decisions. And where better than a forum like this? Yes, some of my comments were no doubt edgy and could be viewed as over the top, just like some responses could be viewed as naïve and banal and some performance suggestions as "overly optimistic".
4) Given my purchasing decison process (performance to value) I zeroed in on the ZL1 to Z28 comparo at Milford and the Ring. Given I am interested in purely track performance, i hope it makes sense here as obviously I wouldn't run a ZL1 on a track on its stock Goodyears (nothing against them as very capable street tires).
5) Based on the above, plus lack of comparo to the new C7 Z51, I mused about the performance to value aspect here again, given the Vette is much cheaper and so is the ZL1.
6) There were also other comments relative to z28's price, specifically to it reaching a level of a (much?) more track capable C6 Z06. The last statement is just my assumption given power to weight ratio.

So this pretty much covers what I was chiefly after, in a single post.

What motivates my purchasing are performance facts vs marketing slogans, or status symbols. Otherwise I'd be driving a Ferrari (as some of my good friends do). I hope this explains my motivation/interest here. Trust me, there is no "conspiracy" here. If some of my comments came across incorrectly - I apologize to the forum community et al. But, I do believe my subjects of dicussions were valid and I do prescribe to "trust but verify" (or "clarify") mantra when it comes to performance. And it takes some digging, including the Ring times for example, as some are not necessairly apples to apples. Other folks buy cars based on emotions, brochures, or nostalgia. These are valid reasons too. Just not to me personally.

Now perhaps some folks will flame me for "repeating it all over again", once again. So be it. FYI I did it to clarify my motivations and my specific interests.
If that's classified as trolling on this forum, I will be happy to leave and watch from the distance. Thank you!
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