[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by kinpin

So my self and 7 of my friends go to a car show to today with our Camaros . The show was advertised for any make any year all cars welcome ... So when we got there we saw a allot of modern mussel cars .. It was nice. There where allot of very well done and unique modern cars right along side the oldies. The cars that where there where made up of 50% modern (2005 to 2014) and 50% oldies ( 1975 ans earlier) and there where like 3 or 4 cars from the 80s . But when it came to trophy time not one trophy went to a car over 1970 and i was a little put off . Not because my self or any of my buddies did not win . It was because it was apparent the judges where only interested in the old cars. Which is fine if that what it is an (oldies show ) . It was almost like they just wonted us there to collect the $15 registration fee . Next year will we be skipping that show because if you are going to advertise the show is for modern cars as well as oldies they should have a trophy or too go to that group as well. Believe me there where more then a few modern cars there that where worthy of a trophy . They where just over looked because of the year there cars where made .

I have seen this a lot. I have also seen a lot of people who don't understand how a judged car show works. Some shows have rules. Example: a convertible must have the top up, or the car is not judged and is ineligible to win anything, as it will not even be judged. might be the best car in the nation. It won't win the show if the roof is down.

1) The show was advertised for any make any year all cars welcome

Did you assume that meant all years cars would be part of judging for trophies? Some cars might not have won any trophies because the cars were not part of judging. "Advertised for any make any year all cars welcome" only means that you can show any year car, and you're welcome to do so. Did they deny the new car owners the ability to show?


2) But when it came to trophy time not one trophy went to a car over 1970 and i was a little put off. Not because my self or any of my buddies did not win . It was because it was apparent the judges where only interested in the old cars.

How did you determine that? Did you talk to the judges or owners and find out what the judging was supposed to be based on, or do you just assume this because no newer cars won anything? If you did not see how the cars were judged or talk to anybody about why certain cars might win or lose, then I'm not sure you even understand how the show works.

3) Next year will we be skipping that show because if you are going to advertise the show is for modern cars as well as oldies they should have a trophy or too go to that group as well.

Did you convey this concern to an organizer, or are you just pissed off based on assumptions? If you spoke to an organizer and they won't listen, then sure, don't go back. If you didn't, then I don't know how your concern will ever be addressed.

4) Believe me there where more then a few modern cars there that where worthy of a trophy .

Based on what? The fact they were cool? How do you know those cars did not legitimately earn less points than the car that won? Cool cars are always cool. But the only award based on that should be the 'People's Choice' trophy.

5) just over looked because of the year there cars where made.

That seems to be an assumption.

Look, car shows are sometimes not "show and shine". Some are events judged by not one group of judges, but many. Sometimes there's a judged portion of a show, and it's just a portion, not the whole thing. How do you even know the cool newer cars were eligible for each trophy? I used to enter a classic car in a show in which there were Oakland experts judging Oaklands, not just any car in the Oakland's class. That group of judges was one of five or six judges for club members only, based on the particular club the cars' owners qualified for and were members of. The same year car by another maker right next to one of those Oaklands, in better shape, would never ever win the trophy. But to the layman that doesn't know...One year my car- which shouldn't win anything- beat a much nice car, same car, in points. I didn't win anything at all, and neither did that other car. But I had more points becasue I didn't lose points by violating rules of judging. My windows were up. His weren't. My hood was open. His wasn't. I was there when the judge showed up. The other guy wasn't.

Some shows are judged on the quality of workmanship alone. Some are not. Can you agree that the quality of workmanship on a 1970 Chevelle, restored so that the correct amount and colors of overspray are present on the underbody, with the proper paper tags on suspension parts, etc, might be comparable or superior to a 2010 Camaro that didn't need restoration?

You need to understand what is being judged and how before you claim judge or show bias. For all you know, the owners of the newer cars could have taken each trophy if they had only read the rules of judging more closely.