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Old 12-13-2014, 03:55 PM   #15277
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Very quiet in The House of Z these last many months.

Are we done since the whole Z question that was asked and planted the seed for this thread and now answered?

Or have we just quieted down to a normal level of reasonable topics as they arise?

As I've said, I have always thought it would be difficult to take this thread and keep it relevant and vibrant. And now as we begin turning an eye to the Gen 6 Camaro and all the things that means maybe that is the natural course of things.

That being said, I am encouraged by Reuss's comments on the NG. Although his "it won't weigh more" comment can be taken in a lot of ways, I was most encouraged by the driving experience comments around the SS being similar to the ZL1.

So for me there are several ways to go with the Gen 6 and maintain the current models, but here is my master plan.

LS, 1LT, 2LT, 1SS, 2SS. The Gen 5 launched with a pretty crappy chassis in retrospect. The 1LE is now the chassis that is capable of beating the Mustang GT. I don't think the SS alone does that.

So here is what I would like to see happen.

1 - 1LE is not a model any longer or even an option. It is simply the SS that provides brake and chassis upgrades. I would prefer that it simply be the base car such that Mustang requires their track pack to even keep up with a base Camaro SS.

2 - We've discussed it a bit but I would like to see and LTZ and LTZ RS. That would be a more luxury oriented car with the appearance package. My 2011 Cruze was exactly that, an LTZ RS.

3 - ZL1, simply stated the LT4 in the Gen 6. Suck on that Hellcat!

4 - The key and critical element.................the Z/28. 1st it needs to be more affordable and that may mean copying (ouch) the Mustang strategy of GT350 and GT350 R. I want an LT2 at around the same output as the venerable (a word that barely describes my man love for the LS7) 7.0L monster in the current Gen 5 Z/28. Upgrade the base SS chassis (now 1LE in my plan) and offer it equipped any way you want. Then offer a Z/28 T (Track Spec) with limited content, CC brakes, tires, CF hood, fenders, get this down to a no crap 3500 pounds or less and destroy the world.

Just Saturday morning ramblings.
1. I disagree on this point mainly because the base SS will have to leave performance on the table to maintain a reasonable ride for the masses. One of the biggest complaints against the 1LE is the ride being too firm. I drive my 1LE every day and have never once thought the ride was too harsh. My mom loves the way the car drives. Hell, my grandpa who is recovering from back surgery loves it. I believe the 6th gen SS will be a big step forward in performance but leaving out the 1LE option would be a mistake.

2. I think offering a luxury option would be smart as long as stuff like the HUD and track recording system aren't stuck in it.

3. I hope GM puts the LT4 in with its full potential but I have a feeling it will end up detuned.

4. In my opinion, GM set the trend with the Z/28 being the top of the line track car. I don't see how they can offer a lesser version of the Z/28 unless they make the "affordable" Z/28 the 1LE and the all out version the Z/28. People might take offense to the 1LE and Z/28 sharing engines but I don't see how else GM can do it.
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