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Originally Posted by shaffe
Was the last GT really a failure?? It wasn't meant to compete with Corvette, it was meant to compete with Ferrari's which it did. Also they are extremely desirable cars right now fetching even more than the MSRP was back in 04 and 05.
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For the price point, it very much failed. It was roughly 140-150k...and it was outperformed by the Corvette and the Viper here in the US... As a performance car, it had sooo much potential...but that price point basically killed it for anyone really looking to do much with it.
Was it a bad car? No. However, it could it have been so much more.
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Originally Posted by KMPrenger
Sorry bud, but I can't just let you get away with this one. 
First....apparently you haven't heard any driving videos of the ATS-V with the LF4 TTV6. Its far from a headers/cammed V8, but its also far from "uber quiet driving". It has an aggressive exhaust with some growl....but yes it doesn't have deep rumble that a V8 can. We all know this, but it sounds much much better than some cheap sounding fart can V6 exhaust also. Also, not every V8 sounds great stock. The PP exhaust on the Camaro sounds sweet, but a stock L99 doesn't sound much better (until you are hard on it) than my modified V6 in my opinion. |
Oh, but you see, I have seen the videos of it. In fact, I've seen pretty much all there is to see on that car. Now notice, that I never said it wasn't possible to make them sound that way, but you can't find a SINGLE V6 motor offered today that sounded like the Grand National when it rolled off the assembly line. Those cars, at least sounded like they had a pair when you drove them. And yes, I've driven several..
Additionally, pretty much every car today, to include the V8's, are designed to make them super quiet. Have you ever looked at all the baffling and noise reduction they put on the Camaros? I dropped 40lbs of mufflers off my car. The intake under my hood could be used to snorkel a Jeep...its ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by KMPrenger
Next "is there room for a turbo V6?" Currently with the LT1 expecting to go into the 6th gen I say no...there isn't. At least NOT the LF3/LF4. Those TTV6 engine would only step on the toes of the LT1, offering basically the same performance and the same gas mileage at the same, or higher cost. So no...it doesn't make sense until the V8 is gone.
On the other hand, if GM was to offer the rumored 3.0 TT V6, and offer it with say 350HP and 350 TQ as a step between the base 4 cylinder, and the V8. Then I'd say YES...there is certainly room. The n/a V6 would have to go away though as it would no longer make sense. By the way...I'd go for this option in a heart beat!!!
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And yet, you agree that there is room for a twin turbo V6...
I never once specified the horsepower range or the size of the V6, but yes, it very does make sense and there is very much room for it. With the rumored LT1 coming to the SS, you can figure the output will be around the 470-480hp range. Even if it only jumps to say 450-460hp, thats still a solid jump. That almost guarantees the Stingray will be re-tooled and jumped over 500hp.
So now you have a twin-turbo V6 that can fit in the 370-380hp range no problem. You can of course continue to offer the base V6 with 323hp.
And considering GM has the 400hp TTV6 for the CTSV....its pretty easy to simply cut the boost or de-tune it to make it work.