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Old 05-08-2016, 05:58 PM   #36
1970judge

 
Drives: 2015 Z/28, 2007 HHR
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Location: Republic of Texas
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Originally Posted by G6Flyer View Post
With all due respect, your statements are kind of discombobulated...

-The 5th Gen Z/28 is a special car, but won't be that special in the future?
Yes, it is a special car in a sense of the parts and package. I do not believe it will be a special car in the future that will command the collector car prices. Two variations of the word 'special'.

-It's somehow comparable to a B4C that has literally no special features at all (it was a Z28 in sheep's clothing - big deal...)?
You referenced rarity making the car 'special'. Just making a point that more goes in to it than just rarity.

-You don't care much for a 1969, but want one?
Correct. Not the end all be all to me, like it is to so many people. I would like the DZ car, almost exclusively for the engine. I'd prefer the 302 in a 70-73 if I had my picking.

I have no idea whether 5th Gen Z/28s will be collectible in the future, but if they are it will be for a combination of these reasons:

1. The 5th generation has been a popular generation.
Correct. The point I am making is BECAUSE it is so popular is why these cars may not be future collector pieces.

2. The Z/28 is the "most" Camaro you could get in the 5th generation.
Correct. My argument against it is, more people prefer the 2SS or 1LE or ZL1 instead, because this is a 'most' kind of car meant for people like you and I.

3. The iconic 427 (and very likely the last large-displacement N/A V8 used in a Chevy).
You could be right.

4. It was reviewed extremely well by virtually every automotive publication that got to wring one out - including 2014 Best Driver's Car.
Agreed.

5. There is far more to it than a sticker package - CCBs, DSSV dampers, functional aero package, etc. (i.e. There are significant, substantial and costly upgrades over the standard Camaro).
Yes, I think me using the word special is where the confusion is maybe. I understand the upgrades, I work around the cars everyday . Very few have the research into these cars that I have. We both agree the Zs are 'special' but will they be highly sought after collector gems such as the, say, old COPO cars? That is where I say no.

6. Fewer than 1800 built.

Your screen name is 1970 Judge (I assume you're referencing a GTO and not that you are a 46 year old magistrate) - what characteristic does the 1970 Judge have that makes it desirable and collectible that a 5th Gen Z/28 does not/will not have in 30-40 years?
It is just a car from my childhood that I clung to, and liked it ever since. Nothing more, nothing less. That car just looks right to me.


This is where internet forums fall short, or at least me typing on one. It is harder to make my point here than it would be in normal conversation. Basic point is based on "only 17xx" cars built alone, that is not enough for me to agree they will be future collector items. These cars are spectacular, and I love them more than just about any other car ever produced. Add in the fact that the bits and pieces that make that car 'special' to you and I deter a lot of folks from considering it..including the price tag.
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