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Originally Posted by RatedZ

Actually, this is what I'm looking for. As for being into "refined" automobiles, no, I'm really not; I mean, geez, I own an STi that has next to no sound deadening, a stiff suspension, and it crashes and bangs over the slightest of bumps.

And then there's the other side of me who wants a comfortable machine that looks good, goes fast in a straight line, and is fun to drive in the twisties. I'm not looking to "slam the car around like the Dukes of Hazzard," but I surely want a car that I can take a corner with. I like to drive....how you'd call, "spirited."

If I can get a Camaro down to 35xx lbs, I can live with that. It's not quite my target weight, but it's close enough.

so 35xx is the magic number that will make it handle like an m3. thank you for pointing that out